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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8th 1947.

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this world

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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all right welcome fade to black i am

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ready for this night three of our ufo

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hearing week because

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this is bespoke radio

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for the masses

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today's wednesday

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may 25th

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let's do this man

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black i am your host

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ruby church for kjcr the game changer

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network and race hobbes

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this is fade to black tonight is night

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james from mufon

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he's with us and we're going to be

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talking about the ufo hearing we've had

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uh steven bassett on

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monday night last night sean cahill and

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race hobbes that was a great show too

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uh two different perspectives very deep

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insight and we are going to continue

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that tonight with ron james

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and uh ron is great he's a director he's

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a host he's got a tv show he's got his

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he is uh the director of media relations

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and he's also got a new film out uh

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we're going to play the trailer for that

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a little bit later

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and uh he's been at this for a very very

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very long time

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um disclosure chasing this down he has

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interviewed just about everybody

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and uh and he's great and

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and his take on what's going on and

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there i i got the feeling

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he's not on the show yet

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but i got the feeling

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it's gonna be a couple of reveals

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tonight that are gonna be very very

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interesting

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so all centered around

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the the ufo hearing that took place a

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week ago yesterday

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in washington dc all right

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ah coming up i've got uh a few things

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uh now i i've been making this

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announcement uh because well one i'm

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of this october that tour is sold out

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um with billy carson and it's gonna be

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fantastic we've got 80 friends

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uh logistically um that's gonna be a fun

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we've got the entire ship for the nile

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and uh wow and of course celebrating my

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and we've got uh links up not only here

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and uh get yourself all set up for that

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to be a lot of fun so that's going down

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valera on the show here shortly and

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for this year's disclosure fest okay so

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that's going on head to

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disclosurefest.org for tickets and info

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that this is memorial weekend coming up

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wow snuck up on us really really fast

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didn't it okay so

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and we've got a great week next week on

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fade to black too as well somehow we

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all right and uh so that's where i'm at

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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and uh you can start your internet with

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me there i've been talking about

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me i'm doing my music stuff over there

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and guitars and things

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and uh i'm gonna go through some of my

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pictures too as well

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uh from the past and and post them up

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uh music stuff music music only

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and uh i got lots of stuff that that

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i've never posted before

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and uh so there you go so follow me on

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instagram if you want to follow my world

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of music and guitar

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okay all right yeah no ufo stuff over

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there i've got ufo stuff everywhere i do

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it every night on the show

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instagram is my little escape

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it's a lot of fun it's a lot of fun i

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shot this video

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the other day and let me see if i can

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pull this up

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uh you probably can't see it but

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i shot a bird in my birdbath

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literally taking laps backstrokes

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so and then i shot some hummingbirds and

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then oh oh oh oh this is see this is my

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escape out of the world of uh ufo

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i shot this

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i don't know if that's a crow or a raven

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but he's the size of a friggin turkey i

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and he didn't care

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i was out there he's this big

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anyway maybe i'll do my nature channel

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i've got it live right here in front of

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and go and look at that that's that is

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crazy town more on that in just a bit

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check out that's why i brought it up

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that is just nuts to me

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have i ever said aerosmith the sheriff

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have pushed back the start of their las

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by three months so steve and tyler can

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a drug treatment program

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following foot surgery the band was

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following a two-year break from the road

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it will now begin september 14th earlier

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that month of september they are booked

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at the main savings amphitheater in

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bangor maine and fenway park in boston

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massachusetts as of now those shows are

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still going forward

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pain pain what do they call that pain

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starlander land the starliner landing

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live and uh it was uh this afternoon in

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white sands new mexico this was the

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finale of the orbital flight test 2

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six days pretty cool to see the capsule

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float down with its three parachutes

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perfect landing it was crazy and then

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and not a drop of water in sight

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is that what they're going to be doing

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so the astronauts are going to land in

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the desert not in the

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it's incredible there you go thank you

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that was pretty awesome all right i

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talked about this robotic crab earlier

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one has been developed by scientists but

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to see it you really need a good pair of

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eyes

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healthy

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eyes or glasses

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it's uh

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it's insane if you want to see it

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the tiny bot

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measures just

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.02 inches wide

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that big it's like that big

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making it the smallest ever

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remote controlled

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walking

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despite being smaller than a flea

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the robot can bend it can twist it can

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crawl it can walk it can turn it can

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jump

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and it can shoot a video

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of you while you sleep

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are you creeped out yet

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you should be

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researchers from northwestern university

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who develop the robot

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believe that the bot could be used to

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perform a range of tasks

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in confined spaces

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like

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spying on you

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[Music]

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yeah black mirror

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a giant dragon of death

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that's right well actually there were

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two dragons of death

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with the 30-foot wingspan there was a

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second one that was uncovered that had a

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27-foot wingspan

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no word yet uh i guess they're gonna run

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some dna testing to see if this was

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mother and daughter father and son

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mother and son father and daughter don't

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know yet

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but one was slightly smaller than the

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other 30 foot wingspan

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the skull was as big as its body all of

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this unearthed in argentina it is the

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largest pterosaur

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ever found

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in south america the fossils were found

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during excavations for a civil

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construction project about 500 miles

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outside of mendoza's capital city

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mendoza

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incredible photographs cavs where's my

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picture of the pterosaurs

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you're a little late

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come on cass i'll retweet it let's get

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this show cracking otd on this day in

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history

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might be

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could today

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be the biggest day in human history

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because in 1977

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star wars opens in theaters

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it's close

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thank you kaz

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i was uh walking through the living room

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my dad and i uh my dad just recently uh

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divorced his his wife at that time we

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were living alone

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and so i'm in the house alone and i and

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i'm walking through i remember it was

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night because it was dark and the tv's

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on

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walking through the living room

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and the star wars commercial played

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and

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end they had that explosion

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in space

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and i went what

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i watched tv

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all night

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waiting for that commercial to come back

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and play and it never did

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i i was i was like what was that for

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that was

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what was what was that

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telling my friends about it the next day

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that was a big deal it was a really big

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deal

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it's just like right and right in the

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front of my head

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i'll never forget it fader fact

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okay you guys know what an iphone is

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right this is an iphone

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right this

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this is an iphone these are iphones

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this is your fader fact

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iphone

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is actually

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a chinese brand of leather products

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and none of them are phones

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which is why apple lost its legal battle

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against them

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and has to share the trademark for the

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word iphone

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with iphone

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the chinese version

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and that

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is your favorite fact i bet you didn't

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know that you

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apple apple owns the legal system right

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fbi can't go you're gonna lose

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right check that out that is a crazy

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fader fact right there

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star wars

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kaz you are so good with this

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how do you

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uh i'm just going to let every caz

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doesn't know what my news is

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she doesn't know what my fader facts are

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or my otd she doesn't know and that got

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posted

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10 seconds

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that's amazing follow me on twitter and

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and and pick up on on what's going on

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hashtag f2b is the sam box you'll get

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your stuff in real time just like

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everybody else and and caz that is

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impressive tonight

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we have very special guest ron james

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from mufon

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is with us for night three of our ufo

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hearing week here on fade to black we've

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had an amazing week so far monday night

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stephen bassett was here last night sean

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cahill uh race hobbs did a drive-by an

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incredible show

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last night with both stephen

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and and sean last night i've had nothing

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but an endless run of email coming in

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um

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thanking

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fade to black for those last two shows

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and that doesn't that doesn't happen too

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often i get thanked all the time i'm

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just talking about the

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that kind of reaction

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reaction

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yeah

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all right cass says thank you thank you

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cass

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all right where am i at oh river moon

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coffee

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river moon wellness

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had a friend

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how humped

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my agent

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called me today and he said so jimmy

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i need a podcast microphone

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he said oh really you're going to do i

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am i'm going to do a podcast i said okay

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all right and he wanted to know all

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about microphones he said i've already

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picked this one he said the name i said

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nope he goes man you cut me off you

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don't want to hear about the microphone

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yeah

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i said you want to use this this this

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this this or this

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really

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how do you know have you ever used them

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i own them

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yeah it was great it was awesome it was

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awesome giving podcast advice

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to my agent okay

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rivermoonwellness.com i brought that up

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because i that conversation went down

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during

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my first cup

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of river moon fade to black blend

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cass just tweeted she says this show and

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you

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give me life between 10 pm and 1am i

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thank

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you that is what i'm talking about right

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there all right i want to talk about

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time travel

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and um

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yeah it's that time again uh yeah yeah i

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know what you think okay here we go

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jimmy's going to talk about time travel

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but i just

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finished reading

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uh i i've read it twice this week

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actually

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a new book it's called time machine

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tales the science fiction adventures and

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philosophical puzzles of time travel

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and uh written by paul j nahin

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and it was published uh recently back in

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2021

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really really thick

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and it's almost at times i'm like this

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is too much information this is

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too much it's getting repetitive

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but

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no

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it's so excellent

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i don't mind

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times travel stuff

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uh

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that is published seriously

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is hard to find

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and

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good time travel stuff is nearly

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impossible it it just is

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and

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the the deal is this book

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hits it

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on all cylinders okay so again the book

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is called time machine tales of science

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fiction adventures and philosophical

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puzzles of time travel by paul jay nahin

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i suggest

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this book to anybody it is great it's a

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fantastic read

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but um there were a couple of gems

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in this book and one of them it brings

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up of all things the fermi paradox and

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in the book and i'm like what i didn't

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know this i thought i'd do everything

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about the fermi paradox in the book it

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says the fermi paradox wasn't called the

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fermi paradox until 1967.

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what

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i didn't know and it's funny you know to

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find out

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this in a book about time travel

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um so there was that little nugget in

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there and the other thing that i found

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out

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in the book that was just as shocking

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was that einstein never mentioned time

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travel in either special or general

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relativity

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this was brought out through research of

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the equations

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in the late 50s

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by other researchers by other physicists

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not by einstein

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and i was like

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wow so it forced me to go back and do

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some other research you got to read this

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book this book is fantastic it covers

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paradox after paradox

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and while reading

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i always do when it comes to time travel

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you know i want to go back to the

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crucifixion there's a movie called the

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man who lived forever i think that's

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what it's called i've talked about it

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before came out about five or six years

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ago and it's about this college

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professor that like 50 000 years old

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he's neanderthal and he's lived forever

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he's got some genetic abnormalities

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he can live forever right and so

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he says in in the movie he goes uh kids

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they asked him they said what about

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and then they go wait a minute were you

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jesus and he goes i was right and he

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goes through this and

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and so as i'm reading you know paradox

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after paradox and going back and

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grandfather paradox and

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you know the watch that your mother gave

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you and and you went back and you know

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it's just paradox after paradigm and

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what if

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you went back to the crucifixion

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you go back to jerusalem

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you go back to galileo

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and you find out

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nobody knows who he is he doesn't exist

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what if he found that out

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and then

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you

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00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,000
played jesus

578
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,399
like the man who lived forever

579
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:37,039
and so i'm going through this twisted

580
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,399
thought and i thought to myself that's

581
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,640
not a paradox

582
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:42,640
you're not killing anybody you're not

583
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:46,640
retrieving a watch what if you went back

584
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,279
you're not set up this is nothing you

585
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,760
just go back arbitrarily

586
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,000
this isn't a paradox that is already set

587
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,919
up for you

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00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:56,880
no

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00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:00,720
grandfather are you going back and

590
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:03,600
seeing you no you're not in play here

591
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:06,159
you go back to to jerusalem you go back

592
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,679
to galileo you go back to the

593
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,000
mediterranean you're in israel and you

594
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,799
find out that there's no jesus

595
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:15,360
and then you play jesus

596
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:17,919
you become jesus

597
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:20,720
is that a paradox does that dis

598
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:23,919
disrupt everything

599
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,039
i don't know so then as as this thought

600
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,679
goes through my head

601
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,679
like a chapter later no it wasn't a

602
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,120
chapter the chapter is only five

603
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:35,200
chapters and each chapter is like 500

604
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,720
pages but

605
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,399
let's say uh uh

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00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:40,720
50 pages later

607
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:44,159
i read the same thing or something very

608
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:45,440
close to it

609
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:49,760
and uh about going back uh

610
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:52,080
i might have even said galilee

611
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,360
and i thought myself this book is great

612
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:58,000
because i just thought about this and i

613
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,159
wondered if that would be a paradox or

614
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:02,799
not and what how would science treat

615
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:05,360
that and other researchers would that be

616
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,799
a paradox and would that disrupt things

617
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,640
and then there it was in print now you

618
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,640
have to read the book

619
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,399
to see their version

620
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,559
of that unparadox

621
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:19,520
but the book is worth the read

622
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:21,520
i love time travel

623
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:22,640
and

624
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:27,679
uh every aspect of it is

625
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,480
is investigated in this book and there's

626
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:32,799
a couple of things

627
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:35,520
a couple of gems that i'm seriously

628
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:37,840
going to steal from the book

629
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,720
and present a couple of years from now

630
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,159
when you guys forget that i've talked

631
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,320
about this book so i'm safe

632
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:46,720
and in two years i can bring it up and i

633
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,159
it could

634
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:50,559
uh i'll make believe that i thought of

635
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:53,200
it and uh you know i'll just straight up

636
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:54,799
steal it but at least i'm telling you

637
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:55,679
now

638
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,320
all right this is fade to black i am

639
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,480
your host jimmy church that book is

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00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,200
called time machine tales the science

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fiction adventures and philosophical

642
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,679
puzzles of time travel by paul j nahin

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tonight on this show

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ron james from mufon is with us

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it is night three

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of our ufo hearing week here on fade to

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tonight and then tomorrow night is

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another fader night with open lines all

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night long i'm your host jimmy church on

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is not your father's radio show

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hi this is network reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmy church radio

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00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,919
what's up i'm chris what up this is kyle

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00:34:17,399 --> 00:34:15,440
and we're listening to jimmy church

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radio

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00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,389
second cup of coffee have to get ready

717
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,159
for ron james

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00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:42,079
this is fade to black i am your host

719
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,520
jimmy church

720
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,520
ron james the immediate director for

721
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:47,359
mufon i think i've got that right you

722
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,639
know he's the

723
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:50,720
he's the dude

724
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,200
he's here tonight for night three of our

725
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,760
ufo hearing week here on fade to black

726
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:57,680
he's a filmmaker he's an odd camera

727
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:00,079
personality he's a writer an editor

728
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:03,440
researcher content creator

729
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,320
yeah head cook cheap bottle washer and

730
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,640
the co-founder of mufon television and

731
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,720
online tv channel boasting the world's

732
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:12,960
largest collection of commercial free

733
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,720
uap related material uap it's called

734
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:19,440
mufon ron it's ufo

735
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:22,720
it's called mufa what

736
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:25,119
hold on i don't even have ron in yet

737
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,480
and uh

738
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,240
that's that's it we're gonna talk about

739
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,320
that that's the first question he has

740
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,240
created seven feature-length

741
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,160
documentaries and dozens of original

742
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,560
independent series episodes along with

743
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:38,640
winning 19 national awards including

744
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,839
four ebe awards the telly award and the

745
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:43,599
aegis award for excellence in

746
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,000
broadcasting he currently produces his

747
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,160
own shows including bigger questions

748
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,640
space time and mufon presents he

749
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,560
maintains his own independent production

750
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,040
studio right here in los angeles

751
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:57,520
california and i would like to welcome

752
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:00,800
is this a iran am i

753
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,839
help me out am i welcoming you back to

754
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:05,119
fade to black

755
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,550
ron

756
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:15,920
are you listening

757
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:18,160
okay ron's got me muted

758
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:19,119
ron

759
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,720
he's a media personality he's a

760
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:34,160
filmmaker

761
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:37,920
and and ron cannot hear me

762
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:38,960
okay

763
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,680
all right let's uh

764
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,520
let's see if we can get this figured out

765
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,839
here see i can go

766
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,000
to private chat

767
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,839
and and watch this

768
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:51,119
ron

769
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:51,839
we

770
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,640
are

771
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:54,640
live

772
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:58,160
can you hear me

773
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,119
and let's see if he sees that

774
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,800
and

775
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:04,320
we can

776
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:09,920
you grew you've had me on i think i've

777
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:13,040
been on once or twice okay now

778
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:18,069
you can't hear me

779
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,800
you can hear me

780
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,640
this is you know ryan we're live on the

781
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,320
air right now

782
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:26,960
okay good we're live on the air

783
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:29,680
we are doing the show

784
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,790
ron testing one two three

785
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,040
run

786
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,440
are you okay ron

787
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:41,760
we just did a fantastic sound check what

788
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,390
okay ron

789
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,960
um i'm gonna pull you out you need to uh

790
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:50,560
you need to get ready

791
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:52,800
this is live

792
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:55,040
live we just did a great sound check

793
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,240
and now

794
00:38:05,510 --> 00:37:59,040
ron is i'm watching him

795
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:09,430
i told i literally said i literally said

796
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,720
don't change anything you sound

797
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,920
fantastic don't worry about the

798
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,520
headphones so don't

799
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,359
everything is fine everything is great

800
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:18,160
okay all right comes on that's why you

801
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,400
never change anything after sound check

802
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:25,440
that's right that's right that is uh

803
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:28,560
that that is amazing i'm watching him

804
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:31,680
and uh i'm gonna give him so much grief

805
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:32,400
and

806
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,040
let's see okay ron are you ready now

807
00:38:40,810 --> 00:38:40,240
no ron is still not ready

808
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:40,820
and

809
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:44,560
[Laughter]

810
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:50,000
this is great ron ron are you ready now

811
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,960
no ron you hear me yeah ron we are live

812
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,960
dude everybody can hear you say can you

813
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:56,079
hear me

814
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,599
we can hear you this is great

815
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,520
you know from from

816
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:03,359
history

817
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:06,960
i will not edit any of this out this is

818
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,000
this is this is staying forever

819
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:13,200
i when my next conference that you are

820
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,720
at i'm gonna play this video for two

821
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,240
thousand people

822
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:20,320
i think that'll be that'd be all right

823
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:27,510
you never change anything in soundcheck

824
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,320
man you're a filmmaker you're a director

825
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:31,920
you shoot everything i've done

826
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,000
interviews with you you have this

827
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:36,160
amazing studio and this production of

828
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:38,320
the lights and assistants and people and

829
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,760
things and

830
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,680
spaceships you've got all of this stuff

831
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,359
going on you know

832
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,680
you don't change anything between sound

833
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,320
check you come in and you test the video

834
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,560
and the lights and the cameras you don't

835
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,200
change it then come back and roll

836
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:55,200
yeah i changed the headphones

837
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:57,520
yeah okay hey ron let's get started can

838
00:40:03,030 --> 00:39:59,839
we can we start the interview now yeah

839
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,040
so you wanted to know about uap so um

840
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,520
you know yeah yeah it's called mufon

841
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,960
yeah it's been an interesting kind of

842
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,480
dilemma for mufon as well if they're

843
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,720
going to rebrand it how do we go with

844
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,640
that you know do we like uh try to come

845
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,079
up with some new thing that incorporates

846
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,480
uap do we just leave it move on which i

847
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:18,240
think is probably the best idea be

848
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,440
interested to see what people in the

849
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,440
chat say or do we just kind of

850
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,440
acknowledge the uap thing

851
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,200
and while we try to combine them like i

852
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:28,000
always do like ufo slash uap so you know

853
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,280
there's a lot of uh there's a lot of

854
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,960
discussion about that so i'm glad you

855
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,000
brought it up

856
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:34,240
here it's a dilemma for mufasa okay let

857
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:36,880
me help you out it's called branding

858
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:40,319
coca-cola doesn't change their name to

859
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,839
flip-flops

860
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,280
you don't have to that is the argument

861
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,880
that i've made and i think it's pretty

862
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,160
successful with it

863
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:48,720
it's called mufon and that's it yeah

864
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:51,200
very successful branding that goes back

865
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,800
we'll still say uap when it's

866
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,319
appropriate oh yeah what are you going

867
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,640
to change the name to moupon no we

868
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,400
believe me we actually battered around a

869
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,240
bunch of different new kind of things

870
00:41:04,349 --> 00:41:02,160
that we could do to incorporate it and

871
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:04,359
they were all terrible

872
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:08,000
um that sounds like a really really bad

873
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,319
idea it was a really really bad idea

874
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,560
yeah it sounds so yes the mutual ufo

875
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,640
network will continue to be just that

876
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:16,960
bigger better stronger and uh not

877
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:19,359
rebranded okay so hold on for a second

878
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:20,800
let me see here

879
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:22,320
m-u-a-p-n

880
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,270
yeah so you're gonna call it mwappin

881
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:31,119
yeah see it it doesn't work there and

882
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:32,000
believe me

883
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,119
there was a whole bunch of things

884
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:34,880
floated

885
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,680
mwapping isn't that the spice that they

886
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:40,079
snorted in in dune

887
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,359
something like that

888
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,040
and we wouldn't want to be confused with

889
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,200
a substance that people snoring yeah

890
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:46,800
yeah

891
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:48,319
we'll just stick with mufon it's good

892
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,040
it's working now uh you're you're

893
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:53,760
director um you've got your studio here

894
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,880
in la um i was at your other studio or

895
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,040
was that the same studio no i've been

896
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,960
through you were at my studio where i

897
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,880
had my spaceship set that was back

898
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,960
that's the one that was over by spacex

899
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,800
yes i had two more since then and now i

900
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:08,880
have a really nice one in san pedro is

901
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,000
it nicer than the one i was at yeah yeah

902
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:14,160
it's not quite as big but i've got giant

903
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:16,160
video walls so i can change the set i

904
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,760
know you do see this is the thing um

905
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,400
everybody we're gonna get to the ufo

906
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:24,160
hearing in just a second

907
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,079
but ron

908
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,480
ron talks a pretty big game right okay

909
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:30,480
so jimmy you got to come to my studio

910
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,920
you got to come check it out it's really

911
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,920
nice you know and and you hear that from

912
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:35,839
people you know over and over again over

913
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,880
the years

914
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,880
and okay whatever

915
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:40,960
i pull up to this place across the

916
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,040
street from spacex

917
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,520
and i walked in i was like

918
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:46,960
what

919
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,800
is going on this is like zatro

920
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:52,560
this is like

921
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:57,200
uh lucasfilm and and i could not believe

922
00:43:02,069 --> 00:43:00,079
uh your studio and and and what you had

923
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,079
going it was just absolutely incredible

924
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,160
so when you tell me your new studio is

925
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,480
nicer than that one it scares the crap

926
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:07,920
out of me um

927
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,480
you do things first class

928
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,400
well except you know pick my headphones

929
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,040
prior to a jimmy church interview oh man

930
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,599
classic absolutely classic but you know

931
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:19,920
people don't know this about me i i do a

932
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,160
lot of work in the production field you

933
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,680
know like i've done a lot of big bands i

934
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,520
helped do guns and roses and smashing

935
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:27,280
pumpkins and stuff that we could talk

936
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,960
about another time but but you know i

937
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,560
make a living in production with my own

938
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,079
production company and i just take the

939
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:34,800
money i make from that and throw it into

940
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:37,599
the black hole of ufo research and

941
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:41,040
interest so i'm kind of uh um

942
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:42,720
i'm contributing to the cause in my own

943
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,400
way sure sure um uh one question this is

944
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:47,680
just for me

945
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,240
um you've you've literally interviewed

946
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,400
everybody

947
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,400
somebody got away from you

948
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,160
who's the one that got away that you

949
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,200
didn't get a chance to interview

950
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,960
um you know it's interesting because if

951
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,040
you would ask me that question a month

952
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,200
or two months ago or back in january i'm

953
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:07,119
sorry i would have said michio kaku

954
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,040
because when i did the bigger questions

955
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:10,800
series i interviewed all the big

956
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,040
scientists at the time russell targ dean

957
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:15,359
rayden amica swanemy

958
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,880
john hagelin a bunch of guys that were

959
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,560
in the secret

960
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:19,920
but i didn't get him and i was

961
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,880
communicating with him but i did i went

962
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,520
in january the day before my birthday

963
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:27,920
rented a studio on manhattan island and

964
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,119
interviewed him for 90 minutes and ralph

965
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:33,680
blumenthal also so michio kaku was it

966
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:36,640
was one but he is no longer um and then

967
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,599
uh

968
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:40,000
i've gotten just about everybody

969
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,520
did you ever uh sit down with lloyd pie

970
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,200
i did not sit down with him and there

971
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:47,280
was another one that we just lost that i

972
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:50,079
regret not getting um it's been a hard

973
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:51,920
year a couple of years for losing

974
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:54,079
luminaries in the field yeah yeah for

975
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:57,680
sure and uh yeah lloyd pie is is you

976
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,599
know there's many but i would have loved

977
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:01,520
to have interviewed lloyd

978
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:02,480
um

979
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:06,400
you know i i had michio on uh many years

980
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:09,440
ago and and he's great uh no doubt about

981
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,680
it but for me it's lloyd pie

982
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:15,920
you know he's the one that uh literally

983
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:19,280
got away um and uh i

984
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,960
that's that's the one

985
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,440
if i'm gonna you know run through this

986
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,160
career and look back and go man you know

987
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,040
i always think about lloyd pie there was

988
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:31,040
just something about him

989
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,680
that he gelled with my personality and i

990
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,119
just have the feeling that it would have

991
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:38,160
been a fun and and really cool interview

992
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:38,960
so

993
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,839
um now let's let's let's let's jump

994
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,599
forward

995
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:45,680
uh the ufo

996
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:49,920
hearing uh was last tuesday um

997
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,240
uh may 17th

998
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,000
there's a lot of build up to this you

999
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:56,800
and i talked of course uh leading up to

1000
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,200
it um

1001
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,359
we may or may not discuss those

1002
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,359
uh conversations but

1003
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:05,920
um it did it did happen and it went down

1004
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,240
last week you've had a week to think

1005
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,960
about it what's your assessment

1006
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:12,319
well you know when we first started

1007
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:13,520
hearing about the fact that they're

1008
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,319
going to set up this congressional

1009
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,000
that congress was going to

1010
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:19,839
stipulate that they do this thing where

1011
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:23,040
they set up these civilian interfaces

1012
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:24,560
and then they started talking about how

1013
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,359
they're going to do it well the

1014
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,119
pentagon's going to take over the dia is

1015
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,599
going to take over and they stripped the

1016
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:31,920
civilian oversight section out of the

1017
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:34,000
gila brand amendment people started

1018
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:35,200
saying this is going to be more of the

1019
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,319
same and as much as i hate to say it it

1020
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,160
looks like they're creating the ability

1021
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,640
to have these groups that are the same

1022
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,880
old kind of stove piping well we don't

1023
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:46,880
have it he has it nobody knows where it

1024
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,359
is so it's just the shell game it's the

1025
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,680
move the new narrative forward and we

1026
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,440
can go over i've made some notes about

1027
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:55,680
it uh step by step throughout the

1028
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,720
hearing and as good as it as it is that

1029
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:00,960
we've had this happening and that you

1030
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,400
know it is an open conversation

1031
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:05,839
i'm convinced that there was a lot of

1032
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:08,000
conversations that

1033
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:11,599
what they were going to say how they

1034
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,800
were going to say it because there's

1035
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,119
some very clever wording throughout the

1036
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:17,040
whole thing and it's uh it's really

1037
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,400
interesting when you say um

1038
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:22,960
you've uh you've combined two things and

1039
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,079
i find that interesting clever wording

1040
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,480
but open conversation

1041
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,359
so are you saying that uh

1042
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,040
that there was

1043
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:35,760
an idea for the direction of this

1044
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:36,960
hearing

1045
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:40,160
that was maybe a little bit pre-planned

1046
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,040
and then it didn't go according to plan

1047
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,520
or that it was according to plan and

1048
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:47,680
they stayed on message

1049
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,040
well i think both bray and moultrie had

1050
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,920
pretty much a talking point set and that

1051
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,680
they were pretty aware

1052
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:57,760
of um

1053
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,720
what they're going to say and how

1054
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,480
they're going to say it i'm watching the

1055
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:02,000
chat it says people are having trouble

1056
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,760
hearing me yeah

1057
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:05,280
don't worry about the chat i've got you

1058
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,800
cranked up here just pull the microphone

1059
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:08,640
closer to you cool

1060
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,839
so um

1061
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:11,520
so these guys they understand their

1062
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,960
talking points and they understand what

1063
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,920
they're going to say and how they're

1064
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:15,440
going to say it and this whole plausible

1065
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,640
deniability thing is built in to some of

1066
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:21,359
these responses uh for instance when

1067
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,880
they asked about the you know the

1068
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,880
nuclear incident now

1069
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,400
everybody knows about that it's been

1070
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,480
widely reported it's widely documented

1071
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:29,920
and when you say something like well

1072
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,640
that data is not inside the auspices of

1073
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,040
the uap task force well there you go

1074
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:36,960
just in that one sentence it's clear

1075
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,359
evidence of stovepiping where they're

1076
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:41,040
going to be able to say things like that

1077
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,359
so it's plausible deniability and it's

1078
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:45,520
also clear evidence of having you know

1079
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,720
thought about how we're going to answer

1080
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:48,240
these questions and so when they've

1081
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:50,240
created this task force what i'm afraid

1082
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,920
of and what's and what a lot of people

1083
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:52,960
have been afraid of and what it's

1084
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,599
starting to to bear out is that it's

1085
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:57,119
going to be this thing where they could

1086
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,480
say well we know about this but we don't

1087
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:00,640
know about that and if you get into the

1088
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,520
questions that were answered especially

1089
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,680
later on as mike gallagher started

1090
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,920
asking questions even though he later

1091
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,440
said that the only reason he asked those

1092
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,040
questions was to get him debunked and

1093
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:13,040
out of the way which was sad but those

1094
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:14,720
questions that he was asking the answers

1095
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:16,880
were very very interesting

1096
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:19,520
and these guys have had a long time to

1097
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:20,720
practice

1098
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,559
saying something answering a question

1099
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,640
without telling a lie

1100
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,800
directly and kind of just beating around

1101
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:28,559
the bush and not giving us the truth

1102
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,839
without blatantly lying at the same time

1103
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:33,520
and so what i'm afraid we saw roll out

1104
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:36,880
with this hearing is the new narrative

1105
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:38,720
is going to be bolstered

1106
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:41,359
which is basically

1107
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:42,559
that

1108
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:45,280
blue book ended nothing happened atip

1109
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:48,000
ossop started and the real story jimmy

1110
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,960
as i'm sure you know we all know is that

1111
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:52,559
the story is what happened in between

1112
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,079
those that's when the back engineering

1113
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:55,839
was going on that's when the materials

1114
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,839
research was going on that's when the

1115
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,359
stuff was ported to industry and

1116
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,599
government and sequestered away in such

1117
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,599
a way that it's uh that freedom of

1118
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:05,760
information act request can't get to it

1119
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:06,720
and so

1120
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:09,280
by denying that that stuff existed

1121
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,559
that's the new narrative it's been

1122
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:12,720
flooded ever since lou and

1123
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,240
the the times broke back in 2017 that's

1124
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,960
been the story and now it's officially

1125
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,559
the story

1126
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,200
andre carson opened up the hearings with

1127
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,520
that story uh blue book ended and then

1128
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,880
we found out there's another program

1129
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,280
that started you know and

1130
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,520
so it's a shame that we're getting these

1131
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,680
hearings that's great symbolically but

1132
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,760
it's a shame because we're not getting

1133
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,440
the truth because the truth lies in

1134
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,440
between the end of blue book and before

1135
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,520
asop started and all of the stuff that

1136
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,030
you're right about that and your new

1137
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,079
film is called accidental truth

1138
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:51,599
and

1139
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,200
i'm going to play

1140
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:55,440
the clip uh

1141
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,559
your trailer for this if you don't mind

1142
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,960
and i want everybody to uh to check this

1143
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:01,920
out

1144
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,800
and

1145
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,839
uh

1146
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:05,040
this is

1147
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,839
exactly what i

1148
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:08,800
think alone with people who have run

1149
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:11,200
secret weapons programs interrogated

1150
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,000
terrorists kept closely guarded secrets

1151
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:16,079
as a profession and all i can think

1152
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:17,760
about is getting them to tell me

1153
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:26,120
he's up

1154
00:51:36,210 --> 00:51:44,540
[Laughter]

1155
00:51:44,550 --> 00:51:49,430
[Music]

1156
00:51:56,770 --> 00:51:52,710
in 2017 the ufo subject exploded into

1157
00:51:56,780 --> 00:51:59,910
[Music]

1158
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,390
a new york times front page story broke

1159
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:04,480
about a shadowy government program

1160
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:07,680
studying ufos pentagon had this secret

1161
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:10,480
ufo monitoring agency which nobody knew

1162
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,280
about

1163
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,800
the man who ran the program made the

1164
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,119
media rounds with shocking statements

1165
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,119
there is very compelling evidence that

1166
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,720
we we

1167
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,319
may not be alone

1168
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,720
can we trust the press and the media or

1169
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,480
are they simply following orders about

1170
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:26,800
what to say and when

1171
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:29,280
i can tell you from my uh knowledge of

1172
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,960
the new york times the new york times is

1173
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,800
not afraid to confront the government

1174
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:34,559
having been legal counsel for the new

1175
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:37,920
york times and for nbc news that

1176
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,160
the the people on the boards of editors

1177
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,000
of those things you know feel themselves

1178
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:44,559
to have a certain patriotic duty as they

1179
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,640
perceive it uh to not reveal anything to

1180
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:50,079
the american public

1181
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:52,000
that the national security state people

1182
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:53,599
don't want revealed

1183
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:55,280
so i i don't want to be bound by what

1184
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,559
danny sheen said about his uh you know

1185
00:53:01,109 --> 00:53:00,240
concepts of what the time sprints and

1186
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,119
doesn't

1187
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:03,119
i was working my way through nasa the

1188
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:04,800
department of defense

1189
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,680
and various other agencies a new group

1190
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:09,440
was formed to supposedly help us or in

1191
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:11,920
the truth to the masses new characters

1192
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:14,720
emerged promising a new era of openness

1193
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:16,960
and straight answers about the topic

1194
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:19,119
but who are these people and was anybody

1195
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,800
really going to tell us anything that

1196
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:22,640
brought us concrete answers it was the

1197
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,040
first time i really digested the

1198
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,280
enormity of the national security

1199
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,599
implications of the ufo subject

1200
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:31,680
so for us to just go ahead and spew out

1201
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,480
to satisfy the idle curiosity of a few

1202
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,200
that's not our job the cia

1203
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,880
and and all these people associated with

1204
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,319
skunk works and the other intelligence

1205
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,480
agencies you're not the right people to

1206
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,319
come out with this you're really not

1207
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:45,839
because you're the ones that have been

1208
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:48,480
lying to us for 70 years we have every

1209
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,440
right

1210
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,880
to know

1211
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:52,319
the truth

1212
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,200
and

1213
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,200
it's uh it's not okay that they're

1214
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:57,119
holding that back don't ask me because

1215
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,400
i'm not going to tell you

1216
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:00,400
instead of new and conclusive answers we

1217
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:02,240
were given a whitewashing of the past

1218
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:04,880
and a new narrative created to fit the

1219
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:05,920
day

1220
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,400
people now in our government people in

1221
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:11,280
the private sector are beginning to not

1222
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:14,800
only take this seriously but begin to

1223
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:17,440
align themselves corporately

1224
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:18,880
governmentally

1225
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,359
to actually now begin to

1226
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,359
do something about it by sort of

1227
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,079
extracting a lot of the history out

1228
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:28,400
uh they're able to make it seem like wow

1229
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,800
this is a real mystery here the official

1230
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,119
story soon became an eerie echo of 70

1231
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:36,000
year old events we can say that the

1232
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,440
recent sightings are in no way connected

1233
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,000
with any secret development by any

1234
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:44,400
agency of the united states aircraft

1235
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,240
we'll call them aircraft are displaying

1236
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:48,720
characteristics that are not currently

1237
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,359
within the u.s inventory nor in any

1238
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,680
foreign inventory that that we are aware

1239
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:55,440
of so there's an issue where the

1240
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,720
government is doing something we don't

1241
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:58,880
want to then it's up to us as a people

1242
00:55:01,349 --> 00:55:00,079
to change that

1243
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:01,359
um but it doesn't have to be an

1244
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:04,400
adversarial relationship they don't want

1245
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:06,799
anything examining what they do

1246
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:07,920
they've got the future in their

1247
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:10,400
possession they've got the most exotic

1248
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,640
technology in science imaginable and

1249
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,000
they have it

1250
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,880
why would they possibly want to share it

1251
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,880
chris mellon former under secretary of

1252
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,400
defense for intelligence

1253
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:22,000
said in the washington post that the

1254
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:24,079
government had not been studying the ufo

1255
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,760
topic and he would know

1256
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,079
but we pressed him on it now it's always

1257
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,160
possible that there's something that i

1258
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:32,160
didn't know about didn't have access to

1259
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:34,160
within the department i can only say

1260
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,440
what i saw

1261
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:37,359
shortly after saying this he makes a

1262
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,240
stunning admission nick pope a longtime

1263
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:42,480
ex-government pundit in the topic denied

1264
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:44,319
official investigation of the subject

1265
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:45,440
for years

1266
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,880
until he didn't

1267
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:48,880
the more interesting ufo sightings are

1268
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:51,359
being looked at but not

1269
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:53,359
under the auspices of a formally

1270
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:56,880
constituted ufo research program we now

1271
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,920
know about a government ufo program

1272
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:01,040
but

1273
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,160
we might not know about the

1274
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,480
government ufo program but can we prove

1275
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:08,000
these secret government programs have

1276
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:11,119
always existed who ran them i ran

1277
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,040
a program inside the government i had

1278
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,440
all of the services involved i've seen

1279
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:19,119
the photos

1280
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:22,319
i can only speculate about why there is

1281
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:25,040
such sensitivity the hard copy file will

1282
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:28,880
be released in about the year 2072.

1283
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:31,359
and i've argued that we're not at the

1284
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,880
stage of asking the right questions yet

1285
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:37,040
that's a great question

1286
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,880
i don't know if i can answer that what

1287
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,160
did they study

1288
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:42,079
what conclusions did they come to

1289
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,359
there's a new technology involved here

1290
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,680
first of all the holes on these objects

1291
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,760
would have disintegrated if they're made

1292
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,920
out of earthbound materials

1293
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:53,359
so you need something that is super

1294
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,160
strong that can go through underwater

1295
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:58,559
through the atmosphere and into space

1296
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,799
what kinds of materials can do that

1297
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:02,720
things that we cannot do

1298
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,599
the congressional committees staff

1299
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:07,280
were briefed

1300
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:08,240
on

1301
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:11,599
uh with slides referring to material

1302
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,400
recovery apparent material recovery from

1303
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,280
crashed ufos if you have the debris now

1304
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,200
you've got something see the way this

1305
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:20,960
game is played is they don't care what

1306
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:23,200
you know they care what you can prove so

1307
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:25,119
have you studied classified materials

1308
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:26,559
but you just don't have them i just

1309
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,920
shouldn't say anything wrong you

1310
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,680
shouldn't say anything about that okay

1311
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:31,040
all right you can put that on there i

1312
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:32,799
just can't say anything more right no

1313
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:34,960
that's that's fine might have been uh an

1314
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,109
the problem i say with the ufo community

1315
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:47,599
they simply refuse to take yes for an

1316
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:52,710
there you go when does uh when is this

1317
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,920
release

1318
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:55,680
coming out in fall we're shooting for

1319
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:58,000
september but i can't give an exact time

1320
00:58:02,390 --> 00:57:59,760
because it's fluid things are happening

1321
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,400
so fast and we're up to the minute um

1322
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:04,000
the the final cut of the film will

1323
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:06,799
actually involve some stuff from behind

1324
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:08,000
the scenes in congress that we're

1325
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,680
working on still but yeah fall 2022

1326
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,240
in the same company that has released

1327
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,319
the phenomenon all of stephen grier's

1328
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:18,960
movies jeremy corbell's movies they're

1329
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:21,599
making it their flagship fall release

1330
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:24,799
yeah good for you good for you um now

1331
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,040
when you let's go back to your comments

1332
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:29,760
about uh the ufo hearing

1333
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:32,000
this when you say this this is something

1334
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,359
that you've been investigating for a

1335
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:35,520
long time and trying to chase

1336
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:37,599
chase down the real answers

1337
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,680
and when somebody says something then

1338
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,760
turner turns around and is either in

1339
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:44,079
denial that they said it or they changed

1340
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,240
the narrative now we've got a decision

1341
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,400
to make here and we've got to get to

1342
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:50,640
that truth don't we it's a really tough

1343
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:53,119
decision jimmy um i can tell you i can

1344
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,280
reveal for the first time on your show

1345
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:56,880
that just like you just had the first

1346
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:59,359
reveal of this film nobody knows about

1347
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:01,440
it yet until now nobody's seen that

1348
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:04,960
trailer until now but um i can also

1349
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,359
announce that mufon has actually been

1350
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:09,280
behind the scenes having very high level

1351
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:12,960
meetings for for three months and um

1352
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,720
we've met with a lot of people we can't

1353
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:16,880
say but it's the upper echelon guys in

1354
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,440
congress and we've been helping to kind

1355
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:21,200
of educate them about what's going on

1356
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:23,200
with this stuff and we've got an open

1357
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:25,599
door uh to go back we're giving them a

1358
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:28,079
big presentation next week where clips

1359
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,599
from this film are actually going to be

1360
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,760
shown to these guys but we could talk

1361
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:33,119
about the hearing and go through some

1362
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,760
very specific points that illustrate

1363
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,680
that we still have a problem with what

1364
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:40,079
the public is being fed and i don't want

1365
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,160
to point fingers obviously we we have a

1366
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:44,640
relationship with congress that we don't

1367
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:48,559
want to um endanger but at the same time

1368
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:50,079
we don't want to be the people that

1369
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:51,839
somebody says hey you know i'm going to

1370
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:52,960
pull you aside i'm going to tell you

1371
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,400
something but you can't tell anybody

1372
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,400
else because you know that's the devil's

1373
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:58,000
deal who wants to get involved in that

1374
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:00,240
that's not mufon's job so we're working

1375
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,960
very very hard to uh

1376
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:04,880
foster relationships with the body

1377
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,599
politic and stay true to the fact that

1378
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,200
we're about getting information to the

1379
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:11,200
public and that's what we need to do so

1380
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:12,880
it's a very interesting tightrope to

1381
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,760
walk

1382
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:15,040
and there's some very interesting

1383
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:16,319
stories that are going to be coming out

1384
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:17,119
of it

1385
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:18,640
let's take our break right here i guess

1386
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:21,920
tonight ron james of mufon is here it is

1387
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,119
night three of our ufo hearing week here

1388
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:27,440
on fade to black i'm yours jimmy church

1389
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,760
for the game changer in nx networks this

1390
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:31,200
is fade to black we'll be right back

1391
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:59,109
[Music]

1392
01:01:04,770 --> 01:01:01,270
this is fade to black with jimmy church

1393
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:04,780
on the game changer radio network

1394
01:01:08,829 --> 01:01:06,319
[Music]

1395
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:08,839
your 1 million gigawatt paranormal

1396
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:12,160
powerhouse kumx db

1397
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,160
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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight ron james is

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here night three

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of our ufo hearing week here on fade to

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black monday night we had stephen

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bassett last night sean cahill with race

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hops

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01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:51,280
tonight ron james of mufon is with us

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and

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tomorrow night is fader night with open

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lines all night long

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um now ryan i want to set the stage uh

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for everything um before i've got a

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sneeze

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here it comes

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oh man don't you hate that

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01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:09,920
now it's gone okay moving on

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01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:11,760
i had my finger on the mute button man i

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01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:13,039
was ready to

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to to go i sneezed loud

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um

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before the hearing

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andre carson tweeted out uh that it was

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the first

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ufo hearing

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01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:29,440
his words uh in over 50 years and so he

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set the tone leading up to the hearing

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that this was a ufo hearing

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01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:38,799
and and we know what ufo means in

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popular culture ufo is is one thing and

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one thing only

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um and and and that is that and then he

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01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:48,160
did his opening statement

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um he brings up a blue book um he brings

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up roswell

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and he set the tone early on

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01:06:02,710 --> 01:05:59,760
um how did you feel about that approach

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01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:02,720
uh from representative carson

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01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:05,119
well i felt the tone that he set is the

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01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:06,880
same new narrative that these guys have

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01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:09,359
been trying to roll out from day one

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01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:11,440
and um you know that new narrative is is

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01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:13,520
like i said earlier uh we closed down

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01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:15,039
blue book nothing happened there was no

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01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:17,920
official interest then we had aesop and

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atip but

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and and that's the story it's been the

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01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:24,079
story since the the times broke

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in 2017 it's been the story that they've

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01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:28,880
used to try and whitewash the past and

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01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:30,839
create a new narrative for public

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consumption that eliminates that big

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01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:35,760
middle part where so much important

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stuff happened and so i was a little uh

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01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:41,920
i was a little alarmed to see that they

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opened the hearings by reinforcing that

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01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:47,760
story because it's not the story and and

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i suppose there's an agenda to get

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things to the public in a way

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that maybe we'll double back and we'll

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01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:54,400
look at all this stuff or maybe it's

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going to be swept under the rug for

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01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:57,680
forever because there's a lot of

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accountability that would come into play

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01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:02,079
for what's been going on since since the

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roswell years all the way up to when we

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01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:07,039
finally broke the story about atip but

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01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:08,799
the official what i call the new

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01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:11,280
narrative is that nothing happened in

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01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:13,839
between that time and um and to hear it

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01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,240
just be the introduction to the hearings

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01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:18,480
um especially since i know the kind of

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01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:20,880
stuff that that has been shared with

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01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:23,440
some of these people um it was it was a

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little bit um

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disappointing

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01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:29,760
well um i i guess yeah and and i agree

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01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:32,559
with you and you're right but um i i

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01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:35,200
think the question was more about

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01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:38,559
his attempt to set the tone for it to be

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01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,319
a ufo hearing

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not a hearing about drones

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01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:45,039
and and not a hearing about adversarial

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01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:48,319
technology in china and russia that we

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01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:51,440
are here today to talk about ufos

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01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:53,200
well rick crawford went in right after

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01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,240
that and kind of sewed that up so um the

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01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:58,480
uh you know the opening about the ufo

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01:08:01,829 --> 01:08:00,160
thing that that that is true and they

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01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:01,839
were talking about uaps and we're here

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01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:04,079
to talk about them and he didn't say yes

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01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:06,559
they're drones but um you know then

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01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:08,319
right right after that rick crawford

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01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:10,480
from arkansas i think it was he got on

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01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:13,200
and said you know the the uap thing and

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01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:15,119
the whole

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01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:17,040
aspect of it that people are looking at

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01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:18,480
i'm more interested in what our

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01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:20,080
adversaries have and technology that

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01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:21,679
could threaten us and if this is a part

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01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:23,839
of it so he kind of picked up that ball

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01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:25,679
and and took it further down the field

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01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:27,520
yeah he did and you're right about that

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01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:30,799
and i did i did make specific note uh in

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01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:33,600
my notes uh about crawford

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01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,799
uh changing the tone off of what andre

1573
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:38,400
carson attempted

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01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:39,279
as

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01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:42,799
uh the chair right of the committee

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01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:45,199
and that was interesting but

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01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:48,640
it was crawford later on in the hearing

1578
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:51,520
that also changed his tone

1579
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:54,960
and he opened the door um up to his

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01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,279
interest in in et

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01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:59,279
and and contact and i found that

1582
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:01,920
interesting where he went from you know

1583
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,080
towing the the department of defense

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01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:06,480
line um in the beginning of the hearing

1585
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:08,319
so later on i was like

1586
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:10,719
man crawford ain't that bad of a guy it

1587
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:13,520
was like really strange for me did you

1588
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:15,040
catch that

1589
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:16,640
a little bit i think it was a little too

1590
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,759
subtle to to be picked up by most people

1591
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:21,600
and the people that are really watching

1592
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:24,400
this with concern and you know hanging

1593
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,880
on every word you know we we we heard

1594
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,719
that but was the overall message to the

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01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:30,960
public that and um

1596
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:32,960
you know i'm not sure that it was but it

1597
01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:35,359
was interesting to see him turn around

1598
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:36,560
but you know there's a couple other

1599
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:39,520
people that that spoke up and

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01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:42,400
everybody talks about when gallagher

1601
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:44,799
yeah when he laid down all the questions

1602
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:46,719
about the big deal issues the wilson

1603
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:49,520
davis memo the nuclear incidents uh the

1604
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:52,880
possession of materials uh the the

1605
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:54,880
incidents of previous programs and then

1606
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:56,480
a couple days later he said yeah i only

1607
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:58,000
asked those questions because i was

1608
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:59,600
trying to get them debunked and out of

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01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:01,440
the way so they don't interfere with

1610
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:03,679
stuff moving forward i'm so i'm you know

1611
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:05,920
kind of paraphrasing what he said but

1612
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:07,760
that was that was disappointing because

1613
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:09,760
the fact is that every one of those

1614
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:12,080
questions has an answer that needs to be

1615
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:14,480
uh looked into officially and the

1616
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:16,320
answers that were returned and we could

1617
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:17,600
go through each one of them and talk

1618
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:19,360
about them if you want the answers that

1619
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:22,080
were given uh were not really

1620
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:24,000
they were not good answers they were

1621
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:25,679
just more of the

1622
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:28,000
word smithing and

1623
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:30,320
you know shell game uh we don't have

1624
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:32,000
that data well does that mean there's no

1625
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,760
data no we just don't have it it was

1626
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,679
just it was it was hard to watch yeah

1627
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:37,840
well okay so let's talk about bray and

1628
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,640
moultrie and the way that they handled

1629
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:42,560
their opening statements

1630
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:43,600
um

1631
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:46,239
my vibe i want your vibe i'm talking

1632
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:48,480
about at that moment

1633
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:51,440
i think that they were too comfortable

1634
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:52,960
that they thought that they could just

1635
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:55,120
show up and phone it in and this thing

1636
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:56,400
was going to be over and they were going

1637
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:57,679
to go home

1638
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:59,600
that was the impression i got from their

1639
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:02,080
opening statements that this was going

1640
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:03,920
to be an easy run

1641
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:05,840
they ended up getting very uncomfortable

1642
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:08,719
later um so with their opening

1643
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:10,080
statements do you think that they

1644
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:12,400
thought that this was just going to be

1645
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,159
a quick 90 minutes and in and out

1646
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:18,239
well i think that you know they had

1647
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:20,320
definitely had some rehearsal time to

1648
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:22,320
talk out to understand and create their

1649
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:23,920
talking points

1650
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,719
when moultrie made his opening statement

1651
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:28,719
it just absolutely blew me away i mean

1652
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:31,120
this guy basically said look we're we're

1653
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,960
the military we've been doing this for

1654
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:35,040
decades he literally says is studying

1655
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,560
everything from

1656
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,640
adversarial technology to this to that

1657
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:40,560
to everything else and then at the same

1658
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:42,159
time says and now we're going to bring

1659
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:44,560
uaps into it it was the most ridiculous

1660
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:46,239
self-contradictory thing i've ever heard

1661
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:48,400
anybody say if you're the united states

1662
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:50,320
government and your job is to protect

1663
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:51,760
the people of the united states and be

1664
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:54,159
100 on top of every technology that

1665
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:56,640
exists that could be a threat could be a

1666
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:59,199
leapfrog technology anything else and to

1667
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:01,280
actually openly say yes we've been doing

1668
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:03,840
it that's our job and then say oh yeah

1669
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:06,320
everything except uaps we're just now

1670
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,320
thinking about those it was like hello

1671
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,480
let's uh let's let's put that through a

1672
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:12,800
thought exercise and see where we end up

1673
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:15,760
well okay so two things happen then if

1674
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:17,280
if we're gonna stay right there at the

1675
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:18,480
beginning

1676
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:20,560
um and i'm just going off of my memory

1677
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:24,080
but one um schiff

1678
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,280
jumps in

1679
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:28,159
and it says in his opening statement i

1680
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:29,520
don't even think he was a member of the

1681
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:30,560
committee

1682
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:33,360
um and so i think he just sat in while

1683
01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:36,400
he can he's chairman right so uh but he

1684
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:40,239
said ufos um and i'm paraphrasing but he

1685
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:43,920
said something like ufos are one of the

1686
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:48,239
uh world's most enduring mysteries

1687
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,320
right and that was that was pretty

1688
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:52,800
compelling coming out of schiff

1689
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,000
um he didn't say drones were one of the

1690
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:58,239
world's most compelling mysteries he

1691
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:00,080
said ufos were

1692
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:03,360
and and that was before uh moultrie and

1693
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:04,400
bray

1694
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:07,199
uh had their opening statements again

1695
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:09,920
coming off that was after crawford right

1696
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:12,400
so you had you had andre carson then he

1697
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:14,480
had crawford and then schiff

1698
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:16,960
coming in to steer this back

1699
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:20,159
away from adversarial russia china and

1700
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:22,239
back to what this hearing was about

1701
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:24,320
which was ufos

1702
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:26,640
yeah i just i was really shocked again

1703
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:29,679
that they would assert their leading

1704
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:32,960
ability capability interest and power in

1705
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:34,719
observing everything that could be of

1706
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:36,560
interest to the military and then in

1707
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,560
literally the same breath say oh and now

1708
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:41,040
we're adding uaps when we know anybody

1709
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,560
who's studied this for any length of

1710
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,320
time knows these things have been around

1711
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:46,400
for a really long time these military

1712
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,840
sightings are just now starting to

1713
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,679
report them but they've been around for

1714
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:51,760
a really long time and so this whole

1715
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:52,880
idea that they're still trying to

1716
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:55,120
convince us that there's been no study

1717
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:57,920
of this particular topic until these

1718
01:14:02,310 --> 01:14:00,400
recent programs everywhere they insert

1719
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:02,320
it unfortunately we are a public who

1720
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:04,719
knows way too much at this point and

1721
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:06,560
understand stuff and too many too many

1722
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:08,400
facts are already on the table to

1723
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:10,080
continue to try to insert this new

1724
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:12,400
narrative of you know we're just now

1725
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:14,400
looking at this this is the biggest

1726
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:17,280
military force intelligence force on the

1727
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:20,159
planet ever and and to say you know

1728
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:21,760
we've been doing this as professionals

1729
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:24,000
for this long but we've been ignoring

1730
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:26,320
this big giant elephant in the room it's

1731
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:28,880
preposterous and and the way it was

1732
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:30,080
stated

1733
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:32,000
anybody that really analyzes the words

1734
01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:34,080
and and watches the statement that they

1735
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:35,600
they'll understand what's really being

1736
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:38,480
said and it's it's not good yeah sure

1737
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:41,520
and and moultrie's opening statement

1738
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:43,840
um where he

1739
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:46,320
went at uh

1740
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:47,920
foreign government

1741
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:52,159
uh adversarial uh technology

1742
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:55,120
and he also said without mentioning e.t

1743
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:56,880
by the way in his opening statement he

1744
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:59,920
didn't he didn't go there but he did say

1745
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:01,440
matter-of-factly

1746
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:04,640
that everything can be identified and

1747
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:07,920
then he closes out which is a very

1748
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:09,280
strange thing

1749
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:11,199
uh for him to you know we're talking

1750
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:13,360
about this is on the record and then he

1751
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:15,760
closes his opening statement with saying

1752
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:18,320
well there's one other one other aspect

1753
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:21,760
to this and it's natural phenomena and i

1754
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,640
thought okay here's a guy

1755
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,520
here's a guy that is absolutely

1756
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:29,280
prepared to stay

1757
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:31,920
in his box and that's what he was there

1758
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:33,280
to do

1759
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,199
and what they've done jimmy is they have

1760
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:37,360
created these new boxes that it's going

1761
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:39,679
to be very easy for them to stay in

1762
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,080
because they can say things now like

1763
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:44,239
well that information is not part of the

1764
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:46,640
uap task force well we haven't looked at

1765
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:48,560
that case because it's not part of our

1766
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,480
charter uh you know and and so now

1767
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:52,480
they've created this really convenience

1768
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:54,400
box for them to stay in and they can

1769
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:56,320
still not talk about anything else and

1770
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:58,159
and that's pretty much the stage they

1771
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:00,560
set so everybody that's cheering the

1772
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:02,800
fact that we now have this this program

1773
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:04,640
that's going to be doing this and

1774
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:07,520
supposedly bringing transparency we

1775
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:09,760
don't really have that we have a

1776
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:12,640
a stove-piped situation where plausible

1777
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:14,880
deniability is the name of the name of

1778
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:15,920
the game

1779
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,400
well when uh bray did his opening

1780
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:20,640
statement and i

1781
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:23,520
i was very very focused

1782
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:25,120
on word play

1783
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:26,719
all right how are they gonna how are

1784
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:28,239
they gonna do this how how are they

1785
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:29,679
gonna do the dance

1786
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:30,800
and

1787
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:32,960
bray said in his opening statement that

1788
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:37,120
the uap task force collects data on uaps

1789
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:39,440
in our airspace

1790
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:40,960
and and

1791
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:44,560
then he closes out his statement after

1792
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:45,920
saying that

1793
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:49,040
staying very focused on technology

1794
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:51,520
he said but there is a category for the

1795
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:53,840
uap task force

1796
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:57,840
for possible scientific discovery

1797
01:17:01,910 --> 01:16:59,040
quote

1798
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:01,920
and i thought what did he just say

1799
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:04,640
is he talking about contact with e.t

1800
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:06,560
what is this possible scientific

1801
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:09,600
discovery that he is referring to but it

1802
01:17:14,470 --> 01:17:12,239
had an e.t feel to me

1803
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:14,480
when he said that possible scientific

1804
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:16,960
discovery uh what went through your mind

1805
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:18,320
ron

1806
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:19,920
well you know again it's just the way

1807
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,600
that they're encapsulating this they're

1808
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:23,280
preparing for their version of

1809
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:26,640
disclosure but it's not going to be the

1810
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:28,719
the ripping off the band aid of the

1811
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:30,560
truth that we all really would like to

1812
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,040
see happen so

1813
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:35,280
if you fast forward a few years and you

1814
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:37,280
look at where we're going to go if we

1815
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:39,440
take this trajectory it's going to be

1816
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:40,640
something like

1817
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:42,239
you know we're going to discover

1818
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:43,760
evidence of life on another planet

1819
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:46,800
possibly with webb possibly on mars and

1820
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,159
then they're going to come to the

1821
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:50,880
conclusion that these these craft are uh

1822
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:52,800
being operated by some sort of non-human

1823
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:54,320
intelligence but we're not sure what it

1824
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:56,880
is we have no clue and then it's and

1825
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:58,480
then it's going to progress from there

1826
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:01,679
and the entire past the entire 70 to 100

1827
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:04,480
years of deception for whatever reason

1828
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,960
is going to be swept under the rug and

1829
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:08,640
we're never going to get the truth and

1830
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:10,400
so some people are satisfied with that

1831
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:11,920
i've talked to very close associates

1832
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:13,920
that are like hey as long as it leads to

1833
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:16,000
the acknowledgement eventually of a

1834
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:17,600
non-human intelligence engaging the

1835
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:19,600
human race then

1836
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:22,159
great that's disclosure we'll take it uh

1837
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:23,679
and you know it might be what we're

1838
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:25,760
forced to take

1839
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:27,520
because it's going to depend on whether

1840
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:29,199
or not we can push politicians we can

1841
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:31,760
push government and we can confront them

1842
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:33,679
with what we know is true and see how

1843
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:36,239
much more information we're going to get

1844
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:38,320
but this this

1845
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:41,760
new newly wrapped package of disclosure

1846
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:43,679
is very disappointing if it's going to

1847
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:46,800
continue down this trajectory well there

1848
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:50,480
was uh at this point

1849
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:52,159
one of the representatives it might have

1850
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:53,520
been schiff

1851
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:54,640
um

1852
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:57,040
asked the two of them

1853
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:00,080
um and i think it was pointed at bray

1854
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:03,679
said you guys are only investigating the

1855
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:06,400
low-hanging fruit the easy stuff that

1856
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:08,880
you can get to low-hanging fruit were

1857
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:11,679
the words that were used that you're not

1858
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,679
going after the challenging stuff that

1859
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:15,360
you can't identify and you're not

1860
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:17,840
applying the science to that you're only

1861
01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:20,480
looking at the low-hanging fruit that is

1862
01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:23,120
easy for you to do the dance with

1863
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:25,520
and bray uh

1864
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:27,679
came back with uh

1865
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:30,640
um how do i uh or no i think it was

1866
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:31,679
moultrie

1867
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:33,920
uh it comes back with uh

1868
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:36,000
well you know we the department of

1869
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:38,239
defense is getting the method of

1870
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:40,960
reporting standards together we're we're

1871
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:42,719
working on that

1872
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:43,840
and

1873
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:46,320
we

1874
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:50,880
actually do want to know what's out

1875
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:53,360
there you know with this generalized

1876
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:55,760
reference to e.t

1877
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:57,360
uh i thought that that was pretty

1878
01:20:02,310 --> 01:19:59,040
interesting do you think moultrie's

1879
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:02,320
being genuine when he says that no they

1880
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:04,480
are going past the low-hanging fruit

1881
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,400
they want to know if e.t is visiting

1882
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:08,000
this planet

1883
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,840
well yeah and that would be all be great

1884
01:20:13,590 --> 01:20:11,760
especially if it wasn't for the fact

1885
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:13,600
that i believe that a whole lot of them

1886
01:20:17,669 --> 01:20:15,679
already know that and and that's the

1887
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:17,679
that's the problem now i'm not going to

1888
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:19,440
go and say specifically that these are

1889
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:21,360
extraterrestrials from zeta reticuli or

1890
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:23,760
whatever maybe they're not maybe they're

1891
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:25,920
even some a whole other aspect of human

1892
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:27,600
civilization that's leapfrogged in

1893
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:29,920
technology maybe it's a whole other race

1894
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:31,679
that lives on this planet underground or

1895
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:33,760
something they could be interdimensional

1896
01:20:37,990 --> 01:20:35,679
travelers it could be all these things

1897
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:38,000
but let's just say for the sake of it

1898
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:39,920
an unknown possibly non-human

1899
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:42,080
intelligence now for these guys to go oh

1900
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:43,679
yeah we'd like to know if that if if

1901
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:45,520
that's really happening

1902
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:47,600
there are elements within their

1903
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:50,080
wheelhouse that already know that have

1904
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:51,520
craft i mean

1905
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:52,960
this this is what i'm talking about

1906
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:54,400
about this new narrative it's just you

1907
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:56,560
know let's let's create this thing where

1908
01:21:00,310 --> 01:20:58,880
we can say oh wow you know look what we

1909
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:00,320
found out together we're sharing it with

1910
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,800
humanity and and it's going to be you

1911
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:04,800
know it's it's their rebranded way of of

1912
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:07,440
doing disclosure and um and and every

1913
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:09,199
time somebody says something like what

1914
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:11,199
you just quoted

1915
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:13,280
they're just toeing that line and

1916
01:21:16,629 --> 01:21:14,800
they're ignoring the truth and they're

1917
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:16,639
ignoring the people that know a little

1918
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:18,639
bit more of it than the general public

1919
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:20,719
and maybe that's a good thing maybe

1920
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:23,199
that's by design but it's frustrating

1921
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:24,639
for all of us

1922
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:25,440
now

1923
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:27,280
schiff and

1924
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:29,920
representative wenstrup he goes by dr dr

1925
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:32,800
winstrom both of them went back and

1926
01:21:38,629 --> 01:21:36,080
referenced uh the uap task force report

1927
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:38,639
from august 25th of last year

1928
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:41,120
and one of them brings up hey wait a

1929
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:44,159
minute you in the uap task force report

1930
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:45,600
you said that there are propulsion

1931
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:47,440
systems that you guys can't identify

1932
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:50,239
that that that don't make any sense

1933
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:52,719
and and then one strip says and and then

1934
01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:55,120
in in the uap task force report he said

1935
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:58,159
that there were 180 degree and 90 degree

1936
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:00,560
turns that would uh that would be

1937
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:03,280
impossible and exceed our knowledge of

1938
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:05,440
uh known physics today

1939
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:10,400
and bray uh responds with uh

1940
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:12,800
something like well you know it could be

1941
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:14,400
non-terrestrial

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01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:17,120
uh we certainly would want to know if it

1943
01:22:21,030 --> 01:22:18,320
is

1944
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:21,040
and i i found that line of questioning

1945
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:24,480
interesting but bray or moultrie

1946
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:27,040
didn't really want to answer some very

1947
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:29,280
direct questions the questions were

1948
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:32,080
there ron for sure right

1949
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:33,760
well this is part of the dog and pony

1950
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:35,360
show these guys know the answer to this

1951
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:36,639
at least a lot more than they're willing

1952
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:38,639
to tell us um

1953
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,320
every one of the specific questions that

1954
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:42,159
mike gallagher asked

1955
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:43,760
the answers were

1956
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:45,199
were very

1957
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:47,679
cleverly worded and it's clear that

1958
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:49,120
these guys know this and they're and

1959
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:51,199
they're covering it up and and but

1960
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:52,400
they're doing it in such a way where

1961
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,000
they don't have to actually

1962
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:55,679
lie per se

1963
01:22:59,830 --> 01:22:57,760
as to just be able to say it in such a

1964
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:59,840
way that uh it's they beat around the

1965
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:01,920
bush a little bit they they deflect a

1966
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:04,000
little bit they put it in a certain box

1967
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:05,679
over here and it's not in this box and

1968
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:07,120
we can't really answer that because it's

1969
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:10,000
not in our wheelhouse and it's just very

1970
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:11,360
interesting watching this this whole

1971
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:13,280
thing was a i won't say carefully

1972
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:16,560
choreographed but but this new dance

1973
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:18,080
there's been a lot of people in a lot of

1974
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:20,480
back rooms having conversations about

1975
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:21,920
you know what the music's going to be

1976
01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:24,320
and what the steps are i i firmly

1977
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:26,000
believe that because you cannot

1978
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:29,440
organically manufacture such clever

1979
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:32,000
deflection and ongoing deception

1980
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,560
spontaneously this is this is the result

1981
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,880
of okay this is the next step in rolling

1982
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:38,480
this out according to our story that

1983
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:40,480
we've agreed to tell what what are we

1984
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:41,840
going to say and how are we going to say

1985
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:43,199
it

1986
01:23:47,669 --> 01:23:45,360
there was

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01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:47,679
representative heims

1988
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:49,040
who

1989
01:23:54,430 --> 01:23:51,440
really rubbed me the wrong way

1990
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:54,440
and he literally brings up

1991
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:58,159
conspiracy theory that's his words right

1992
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:01,520
and uh yeah and and he says he wants all

1993
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:04,239
of these conspiracy theories about ufos

1994
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:06,400
and aliens and e.t

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01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:08,639
eliminated

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01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:10,320
and is is

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01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:12,000
we're going to get to the censorship

1998
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:14,159
issue uh when we come back after the

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01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:15,040
break

2000
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:19,199
but how can you just eliminate a voice

2001
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:20,719
where people are bringing up these

2002
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:22,000
concerns

2003
01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:24,480
and and i just found that from an

2004
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:26,239
elected official do you really want to

2005
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:28,159
have that position

2006
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,400
well we're watching it unfold as we

2007
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:32,320
speak in somewhat slow motion when

2008
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:34,239
gallagher asked those questions and all

2009
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:36,159
of you followed you went yay he's asking

2010
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:37,840
about the wilson davis memo which may or

2011
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:39,360
may not be

2012
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:41,120
valid in any way but he's asking about

2013
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:42,719
the nuke sites he's asking about the

2014
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:44,560
materials and we could go into this a

2015
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:46,880
little bit more he's asking about

2016
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:49,600
contracts civilian contracts to study

2017
01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:51,760
back engineered stuff that these guys

2018
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:54,320
both openly said do not exist well we

2019
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:56,000
know some of them existed we've seen the

2020
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:58,639
contracts we've got the foia responses

2021
01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:59,600
so

2022
01:25:02,470 --> 01:25:00,880
you know they're they're asking these

2023
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,480
questions with the purpose of let's get

2024
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,400
this stuff out of the way even though a

2025
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:06,320
lot of it is really valid and an

2026
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:07,920
important part of the story so they're

2027
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:09,920
eliminating the quote-unquote conspiracy

2028
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:12,159
theories very cleverly through this

2029
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:14,000
process

2030
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:17,520
is is that uh are we getting into a

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01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:19,760
constitutional issue here

2032
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:20,560
where

2033
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:23,280
we're we're going to take a position

2034
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:24,719
from the government

2035
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:27,360
to not listen or not allow people to

2036
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:29,520
speak or ask questions

2037
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:30,960
i don't think it needs to be done that

2038
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:33,920
way you know the whole um suppression of

2039
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:36,320
ufo information has been very well

2040
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:37,760
managed and it started off with the

2041
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:40,320
ridicule factor which was at play

2042
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:42,000
through the military until the atip

2043
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:44,400
stuff and um and really kept the

2044
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:46,880
military the you know the um

2045
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:48,800
the rank and file military from asking

2046
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:50,719
too many questions because the the

2047
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,400
orders from up top were oh don't do that

2048
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:54,560
it'll ruin your career but that that

2049
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:56,560
policy in place that cascaded through

2050
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:58,400
the through the military and your

2051
01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:00,159
average pilot and your average service

2052
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:02,480
person that that policy was being

2053
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:04,719
dictated by the people that really were

2054
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:06,400
managing this information and that's how

2055
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:09,199
they very cleverly kept it from from

2056
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:10,639
kept the right people from asking too

2057
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:12,639
many questions and now that's off the

2058
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,239
shelf so now it's let's get rid of these

2059
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:16,400
conspiracy theories so first i'll ask

2060
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:17,760
these questions about these things and

2061
01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:19,520
then we'll call them conspiracy theories

2062
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:20,719
and then we'll come up with a bunch of

2063
01:26:25,110 --> 01:26:22,400
reasons why they can't be true

2064
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:25,120
and then we'll move on and so this is

2065
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:26,960
the ufo topic jimmy has been a

2066
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:29,360
constitutional crisis from the day

2067
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:32,080
that it was covered up the way it was

2068
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:33,840
there's members of congress that are

2069
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,000
supposedly by law

2070
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:38,400
allowed to have access to any classified

2071
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:40,400
information they want and they're not

2072
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:42,320
getting it and these guys i can tell you

2073
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:44,239
these guys on capitol hill a lot of them

2074
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:46,080
know that they're not being told the

2075
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:48,239
truth and um

2076
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:51,440
they'll say that behind closed doors but

2077
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,960
what's happening here

2078
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:54,719
but but but they're starting to say that

2079
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:57,440
publicly now well yeah yeah yeah they're

2080
01:27:03,430 --> 01:26:59,760
starting to say that publicly and yeah

2081
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:03,440
timber chet is timber super loud

2082
01:27:08,510 --> 01:27:06,159
his his reaction uh we're gonna head to

2083
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:08,520
a break here in three minutes his uh his

2084
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:11,440
post-hearing uh reaction again i'm

2085
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:14,560
paraphrasing where he said

2086
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:18,800
this is a cover-up by our own government

2087
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:21,360
and it has to end now that people need

2088
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:24,639
to know the truth he's literally saying

2089
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:26,639
that it's a cover-up by our own

2090
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:27,760
government

2091
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:30,480
and i was i was totally surprised and

2092
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:33,760
shocked to have a representative like

2093
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:34,560
that

2094
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:37,760
speak so directly into the camera

2095
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,440
yeah and and thank goodness we have

2096
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:41,520
people that that are willing to be that

2097
01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:44,080
bold because it it is and and they've

2098
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:45,920
heard enough behind closed doors we

2099
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:46,960
could we could talk about like the

2100
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:48,800
materials thing when we come back we

2101
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:50,239
know that they've been briefed about

2102
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:52,480
these things and and so when they asked

2103
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:54,320
about materials being back engineered

2104
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:56,000
and researched this guy's like oh we

2105
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:57,199
don't have anything like that we're not

2106
01:28:00,470 --> 01:27:58,960
aware of anything like that we already

2107
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:00,480
know that congress has been briefed

2108
01:28:04,629 --> 01:28:03,040
they've seen they've seen more than they

2109
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:04,639
can tell us and and

2110
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:07,040
they they know that that's not true the

2111
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:09,520
problem is that this thing has been so

2112
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:10,560
uh

2113
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:12,800
so convoluted since they decided to keep

2114
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:14,639
the secret it's been wrapped up in

2115
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:16,880
siloed programs and buried deep in

2116
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:19,199
different industrial aspects plausible

2117
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:21,840
deniability uh escape from the freedom

2118
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:23,840
of information act request and then run

2119
01:28:26,709 --> 01:28:25,120
by a whole lot of people when i

2120
01:28:28,870 --> 01:28:26,719
interviewed you for my movie you said it

2121
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:28,880
better than anybody's ever said it these

2122
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:31,040
people you do not know who they are you

2123
01:28:34,629 --> 01:28:32,800
will never know who they are you will

2124
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,639
never see their faces you will never

2125
01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:36,719
hear their voices and and those were

2126
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:38,400
those were your words to god's ears

2127
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:39,360
jimmy

2128
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:40,080
uh

2129
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:42,560
did it make the final cut yeah yeah i

2130
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:43,760
could i could i'll talk to you about

2131
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:45,280
what what i took from our interview that

2132
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:47,199
i put in the film um it's nothing that's

2133
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:50,320
going to uh to make you uh mad at me

2134
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:52,400
well um uh

2135
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:55,280
that's that's interesting that uh you

2136
01:29:01,510 --> 01:28:57,840
you remembered that i didn't remember it

2137
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:01,520
but that is a point that i think is uh

2138
01:29:06,229 --> 01:29:04,639
very very important that of course there

2139
01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:06,239
are people in the know

2140
01:29:10,629 --> 01:29:09,840
but those people that are in the know

2141
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:10,639
gonna

2142
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:17,840
public and anybody that is out speaking

2143
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:20,000
in public about it probably doesn't know

2144
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:21,920
what they're talking about no and none

2145
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:23,360
of these guys are going behind closed

2146
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:25,040
doors with congress because none of them

2147
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:28,239
are going to let congress know

2148
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:30,159
isn't that the point

2149
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:32,639
yeah and and so the frustration when

2150
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:35,199
congress now or uh it doesn't matter if

2151
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:36,719
it's the house of representatives or the

2152
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:38,159
senate and the senate intelligence

2153
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:39,120
committee

2154
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:42,080
that they're fighting this stuff out in

2155
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:44,480
a roundabout way they're having to go

2156
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:47,440
and chase this down this information

2157
01:29:51,750 --> 01:29:49,920
wasn't given to them and now they're

2158
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:51,760
having to pull teeth and they're

2159
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:54,000
experiencing what the ufo community has

2160
01:29:58,229 --> 01:29:56,400
been experiencing for the last 70 years

2161
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:58,239
and from what i can tell some of them

2162
01:30:02,070 --> 01:30:00,159
want to go and pull those teeth and

2163
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:02,080
we're encouraging them we're literally

2164
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:06,000
telling them who to ask where to look um

2165
01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:07,520
and then some of them are like you know

2166
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:09,040
we don't care it's not that important

2167
01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:11,280
and some of them are actually interested

2168
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:13,600
in preserving and and forwarding this

2169
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:15,120
new narrative so it's very interesting

2170
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:16,960
that even when people know

2171
01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:18,480
they take a different approach to how

2172
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:20,320
they're going to personally handle it

2173
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:22,080
and what they feel

2174
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:23,920
their obligation is

2175
01:30:27,430 --> 01:30:25,440
yeah very interesting let's take our

2176
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:27,440
break right here this is fade to black

2177
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:29,760
our guest tonight ron james of mufon it

2178
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:31,520
is night three

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01:30:35,669 --> 01:30:33,679
of our ufo hearing week right here on

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01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:35,679
fade to black i'm your host jimmy church

2181
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:37,440
more with rob when we come back after

2182
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:57,110
[Music]

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01:31:02,440 --> 01:31:00,239
way out here we listen to jimmy church

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01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:02,450
you're listening to fade to black

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01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:05,040
[Applause]

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01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:07,199
you're listening to jimmy church and

2187
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:08,719
fade to black

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01:31:13,850 --> 01:31:27,189
[Applause]

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01:31:33,510 --> 01:31:29,030
this is jimmy church of fade to black

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01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:33,520
and this year june 18th 2022

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01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:36,239
the disclosure fest foundation presents

2192
01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:38,880
the mass meditation initiative it's

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01:31:45,030 --> 01:31:42,400
saturday june 18th from 10 a.m to 10 p.m

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01:31:47,430 --> 01:31:45,040
one day only at the los angeles state

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01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:47,440
historic park in downtown los angeles

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01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:50,639
california right next to chinatown i'm

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01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:52,960
hosting the event again this year with

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01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:54,960
music performances by

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01:32:02,149 --> 01:31:58,320
trevor hall the desert dwellers pour on

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01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:02,159
key and many many more on four separate

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01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:05,760
stages there's 16 stages in total over

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01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:08,880
30 acres in downtown los angeles with

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01:32:14,149 --> 01:32:11,600
vendors and tents and presentations and

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01:32:16,709 --> 01:32:14,159
workshops with billy carson adam apollo

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host shimmy shirts getting warmed up

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ron james is here great conversation

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it's night three of our ufo hearing week

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01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:40,080
here on fade to black and uh ron just

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01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:42,880
brought up materials and

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01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:43,679
uh

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01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:46,320
let's and he brought up the wilson davis

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01:35:51,109 --> 01:35:48,800
dock uh a few times tonight

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01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:51,119
so let's focus on that for a second

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01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:54,960
um gallagher uh brings up uh ufos and

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01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:58,400
blue book um and then he brings up uh

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01:36:02,950 --> 01:36:00,800
malmstrom and he then he brings up the

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01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:02,960
wilson davis doc and even i sat forward

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01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:05,840
and when he he did he just go there um

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01:36:11,830 --> 01:36:09,040
and and of course uh uh uh had it

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01:36:14,790 --> 01:36:11,840
brought into the public record right uh

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01:36:15,709 --> 01:36:14,800
evidence right okay so

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01:36:17,590 --> 01:36:15,719
but

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01:36:18,709 --> 01:36:17,600
specifically

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01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:18,719
the

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01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:19,920
uh

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01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:23,440
the wilson davis doc which is dr eric

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01:36:28,229 --> 01:36:25,760
davis uh and his notes of a conversation

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01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:28,239
with rear admiral uh wilson

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01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:31,600
um in back of the eg g building in in

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01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:34,080
las vegas nevada right

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01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:37,600
janet airlines okay so

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01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:38,880
uh

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01:36:43,109 --> 01:36:40,880
specifically

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01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:43,119
eric davis now we are talking about

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01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:46,800
hearings in uh right now with congress

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01:36:53,350 --> 01:36:49,520
there may be hearings with the senate dr

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01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:53,360
eric davis uh is uh has a quote

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01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:56,000
attributed to him in the new york times

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01:37:01,350 --> 01:36:58,320
saying that he briefed the senate

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01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:01,360
uh that we have craft uh in our

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01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:04,080
possession and not from planet earth

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01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:07,199
and and it's also addressed in the

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01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:09,920
wilson davis dock now this question of

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01:37:15,109 --> 01:37:12,480
materials has been lingering out there

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01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:15,119
for a very long time and if the wilson

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01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:17,119
davis dock gets

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01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:19,040
uh well it is now part of the public

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01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:22,480
record um does does davis get called to

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01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:23,440
the hill

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01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:25,760
does he does he testify does he talk

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01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:26,960
about these

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01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:31,119
uh these crashed retrievals right and

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01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:33,679
and and and these materials and does

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01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:36,800
this stuff start to get uh way out into

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01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:42,870
okay you mute it you're muted

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01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:45,440
unmute yourself

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01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:46,960
uh

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01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:49,040
i can't do it you have to do it well i

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01:37:53,109 --> 01:37:51,360
didn't even see that okay okay

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01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:53,119
so the that document itself is

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01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:54,800
controversial we have both people that

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01:37:58,870 --> 01:37:56,320
were supposedly involved in it both

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01:38:01,350 --> 01:37:58,880
still alive admiral wilson obviously

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01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:01,360
denies it because that's his job it's

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01:38:06,070 --> 01:38:03,520
literally part of somebody involved in

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01:38:08,310 --> 01:38:06,080
intelligence to deny anything classified

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01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:08,320
so he has to and then we have eric davis

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01:38:12,229 --> 01:38:10,159
who's been very he won't talk about it

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01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:12,239
or deny or confirm it at all which i

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01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:14,560
find very interesting and then it was

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01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:16,480
with uh dr edgar mitchell when it was

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01:38:20,550 --> 01:38:18,560
discovered uh so that's another

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01:38:22,629 --> 01:38:20,560
interesting element because the meeting

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01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:22,639
with uh with these guys was

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01:38:26,310 --> 01:38:25,040
something that uh wilson actually admits

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01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:26,320
so

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01:38:30,629 --> 01:38:28,159
it's very convoluted rather it's

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01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:30,639
legitimate or not but we do know that

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01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:33,760
eric davis met with behind closed doors

2340
01:38:38,229 --> 01:38:36,000
and did talk about materials he was part

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01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:38,239
of the studies at bigelow aerospace that

2342
01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:41,600
are now being denied um but and and we

2343
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:43,600
saw we have the slide that he actually

2344
01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:46,000
showed congress i went to new york and i

2345
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:47,679
sat down with ralph blumenthal from the

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01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:49,119
new york times for an hour and a half

2347
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:50,400
he's in a movie

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01:38:55,109 --> 01:38:52,000
talking about this whole thing about the

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01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:55,119
materials and and bigelow aerospace's

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01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:56,880
involvement and

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01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:59,360
the whole thing is extremely convoluted

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01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,480
um

2353
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:02,560
but we know the materials exist we have

2354
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:04,320
a pretty good idea what they are because

2355
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:05,920
there was a freedom of information act

2356
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:07,760
requests that a lot not a lot of people

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01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:08,800
know about

2358
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:10,400
that was filed by a guy named tony

2359
01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:13,199
bergalia who manages to tick off half of

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01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:15,520
the ufo field so when he makes a big

2361
01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:16,960
announcement

2362
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:19,119
it's received lukewarm but the fact is

2363
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:21,600
the guy did a lot of work and we have in

2364
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:23,679
our possession a freedom of information

2365
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:24,960
act request

2366
01:39:29,350 --> 01:39:27,600
that acknowledges that materials were

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01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:29,360
studied at bigelow aerospace

2368
01:39:34,790 --> 01:39:32,159
acknowledges that they came from shot

2369
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:34,800
off ufo crash debris flotsam stuff from

2370
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:38,400
uh from crashed uh uaps and ign and

2371
01:39:40,709 --> 01:39:40,080
talks about what the materials are and

2372
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:40,719
then he did a little more

2373
01:39:44,229 --> 01:39:42,239
cross-referencing and we found out some

2374
01:39:45,990 --> 01:39:44,239
of the people that studied them um

2375
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:46,000
through different paperwork and we have

2376
01:39:49,270 --> 01:39:48,239
all this and it's in the film but when

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01:39:51,910 --> 01:39:49,280
um

2378
01:39:54,070 --> 01:39:51,920
when he when he asked

2379
01:39:55,990 --> 01:39:54,080
about that specifically about materials

2380
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:56,000
the answer was very interesting we don't

2381
01:40:00,070 --> 01:39:57,280
have any materials that can't be

2382
01:40:02,070 --> 01:40:00,080
attested to terrestrial origin

2383
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:02,080
that again is a very clever way of

2384
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:03,600
saying that because

2385
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:05,199
lou elizondo

2386
01:40:08,550 --> 01:40:07,040
said early on

2387
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:08,560
in private conversations with me and

2388
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:10,880
maybe publicly that it's not that these

2389
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:13,280
materials can't be identified because

2390
01:40:16,870 --> 01:40:15,360
they're from the periodic table we know

2391
01:40:19,430 --> 01:40:16,880
what they are we know what they're made

2392
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:19,440
of that's not the issue the issue is so

2393
01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:20,960
he can say yeah they're terrestrial

2394
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:23,119
materials the issue is the isotopic

2395
01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:24,400
ratios of these that make them

2396
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:26,880
impossible to manufacture in

2397
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:28,480
in ways that we know

2398
01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:30,800
and the combinations of elements and

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01:40:34,390 --> 01:40:32,800
what they do and then we also have

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01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:34,400
reports about these materials things

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01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:36,719
like metallic glass and and different

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01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:38,880
materials that that

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01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:41,280
we did we we can only speculate about

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01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:43,840
their use in aerospace we have reports

2405
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:46,880
about this now who designs a material

2406
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:48,400
that we're going to spend a lot of money

2407
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:49,600
trying to figure out how to make it it's

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01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:51,600
a very complex manufacturing process we

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01:40:54,229 --> 01:40:53,040
might not even be able to do it and

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01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:54,239
they're going to sit back now that we've

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01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:55,440
made it and we're going to scratch our

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01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:56,800
heads and go wow what are we going to do

2413
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:58,239
with this and that's what the

2414
01:41:02,790 --> 01:41:00,239
information i'm sitting on conveys so

2415
01:41:05,109 --> 01:41:02,800
when they say well we have no materials

2416
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:05,119
that that cannot be uh in alignment with

2417
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:07,440
the terrestrial origin that is what one

2418
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:09,119
of the most clever ways of dancing

2419
01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:11,600
around the fact that surrounds these

2420
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:14,239
materials that i could possibly imagine

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01:41:16,870 --> 01:41:15,199
and so

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01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,880
i can't go too deep into the material

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01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:18,960
stuff tonight it's a big part of my film

2424
01:41:23,350 --> 01:41:20,960
but i saw somebody in chat asking about

2425
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:23,360
bigelow aerospace and all these things

2426
01:41:27,030 --> 01:41:25,199
the the uh

2427
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:27,040
the meandering path

2428
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:30,480
to the truth about the study of ufo

2429
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:33,440
materials is the smoking gun and short

2430
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:35,440
of laying a big piece of unidentifiable

2431
01:41:40,629 --> 01:41:38,480
metal on the on the table of all our

2432
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:40,639
viewers we're going to expose a lot of

2433
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:41,760
that path

2434
01:41:47,830 --> 01:41:44,400
well okay so

2435
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:47,840
just having the wilson davis dock

2436
01:41:52,470 --> 01:41:51,520
um brought into the public record

2437
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:52,480
now

2438
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:54,800
what is in that document can be

2439
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:56,159
discussed

2440
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:58,719
you know whether whether it's

2441
01:42:02,470 --> 01:42:00,800
whether it's it's been vetted and

2442
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:02,480
whether davis is going to say it was

2443
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:05,199
real and it's it's his document i think

2444
01:42:08,950 --> 01:42:07,440
that you know baby put off and kit green

2445
01:42:10,229 --> 01:42:08,960
have already alluded to that but that's

2446
01:42:13,750 --> 01:42:10,239
another story

2447
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:13,760
the the the point is now it can be

2448
01:42:18,709 --> 01:42:15,840
talked about

2449
01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:18,719
yeah and you know admiral wilson can it

2450
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:21,679
can be taken into chamber and and

2451
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:23,360
expected to answer the truth about that

2452
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:25,040
document uh

2453
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:27,119
because he will be you know in a

2454
01:42:30,390 --> 01:42:28,960
classified environment so who knows

2455
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:30,400
that's going to happen eric davis

2456
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:32,960
obviously could be brought in um

2457
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:34,960
i think just the fact i'm not going to

2458
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:36,560
speculate about the legitimacy of the

2459
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:37,840
documents because too many people are

2460
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:40,080
arguing about it i notice that that one

2461
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:41,360
of our very

2462
01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:44,080
luminous people in the field is saying

2463
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:45,520
that the wilson davis memo shouldn't

2464
01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:47,119
even be brought up and there's bigger

2465
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:49,760
fish to fry um and even gallagher said

2466
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:51,280
yeah i brought it up so i could just get

2467
01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:53,280
it out of the way so let's hope that

2468
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:55,040
that's not what happens

2469
01:43:00,229 --> 01:42:57,280
that was gallagher backpedaling because

2470
01:43:01,270 --> 01:43:00,239
yeah big time because you look at the

2471
01:43:03,910 --> 01:43:01,280
video

2472
01:43:05,590 --> 01:43:03,920
he was pissed off what do you mean you

2473
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:05,600
don't know about the wilson david how

2474
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:06,880
can you not know about the wills of

2475
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:08,080
davidson what did you do what do you

2476
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:10,800
mean you don't know and that was him on

2477
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:12,880
camera in session

2478
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:15,199
so for him to say no it was it was i

2479
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:16,800
just brought it up just the very next

2480
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:18,719
day that's what he said i was absolutely

2481
01:43:25,109 --> 01:43:22,000
mind-boggled yeah yeah and

2482
01:43:26,149 --> 01:43:25,119
he had the same attitude about malmstrom

2483
01:43:28,390 --> 01:43:26,159
yeah

2484
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:28,400
let's let's let's let's circle back to

2485
01:43:33,430 --> 01:43:30,400
malmstrom for a second

2486
01:43:35,669 --> 01:43:33,440
in that uh

2487
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:35,679
gallagher bringing it up

2488
01:43:42,790 --> 01:43:38,880
and watching bray and moultrie and their

2489
01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:42,800
body language because bray goes

2490
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:44,639
do you know about bob's room no i don't

2491
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:47,360
do you know about they it was just so

2492
01:43:52,470 --> 01:43:48,560
funny

2493
01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:52,480
um we all can read people yes and the

2494
01:43:57,109 --> 01:43:55,360
whole that data is not at the uap task

2495
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:57,119
force i promise you we're going to be

2496
01:44:01,830 --> 01:44:00,159
hearing that skirt a lot of well yeah

2497
01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:01,840
that's not within our purvey it's it's

2498
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:03,679
over there we don't know anything about

2499
01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:06,080
it but in my film you know i've

2500
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:08,239
interviewed colonel john alexander four

2501
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:11,040
times over 12 years and back when i

2502
01:44:15,270 --> 01:44:13,360
interviewed him in 2009 he was saying

2503
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:15,280
things like well i really think that

2504
01:44:19,990 --> 01:44:18,400
this topic needs to be

2505
01:44:22,229 --> 01:44:20,000
brought out in the open so people can

2506
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:22,239
study it without ridicule but i don't

2507
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:23,920
know anything about anything well the

2508
01:44:28,390 --> 01:44:25,920
last interview i shot with him he admits

2509
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:28,400
to running an entire program under the

2510
01:44:33,189 --> 01:44:30,719
radar with the help of all the alphabet

2511
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:33,199
soup agencies and he comes and he says

2512
01:44:37,510 --> 01:44:35,199
and it's in my film that they studied

2513
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:37,520
the heck out of the maelstrom thing and

2514
01:44:40,870 --> 01:44:38,880
that they at the end of the day they

2515
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:40,880
couldn't really conclude what it was but

2516
01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:43,520
for these guys to to even almost try to

2517
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:45,040
pretend like it doesn't exist or they

2518
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:47,520
don't know about it there is mountains

2519
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:48,480
of data

2520
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:50,800
in these unacknowledged programs that

2521
01:44:55,510 --> 01:44:52,800
are now that we've managed to uncover

2522
01:44:57,270 --> 01:44:55,520
some of them um that that suggest that

2523
01:44:58,709 --> 01:44:57,280
that's completely untrue and in their

2524
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:58,719
skirting and the stuff that you pointed

2525
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:00,880
to the body language and everything else

2526
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:02,880
we don't need this we need we just need

2527
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:04,320
some guys to sit down and tell us the

2528
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:05,360
truth

2529
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:08,880
i um i don't i'm not a shock jock

2530
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:10,480
i'm not about that i don't i don't give

2531
01:45:15,030 --> 01:45:13,119
a crap but but i'll say this about john

2532
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:15,040
alexander okay i'll go on the record

2533
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:17,520
right now

2534
01:45:22,310 --> 01:45:19,280
we're talking to he's standing next to

2535
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:22,320
me and uh

2536
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:25,119
i'll just say this was at roswell

2537
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:26,400
okay

2538
01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:29,040
and i said so john

2539
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:30,480
would love to get you on fade to black

2540
01:45:34,790 --> 01:45:32,320
or coast to coast

2541
01:45:36,310 --> 01:45:34,800
he goes and talk about what jimmy you

2542
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:36,320
oppose

2543
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:38,320
and i go uh

2544
01:45:42,070 --> 01:45:39,600
yeah

2545
01:45:43,990 --> 01:45:42,080
i don't know anything about ufos

2546
01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:44,000
i said okay well we could talk about

2547
01:45:48,629 --> 01:45:46,000
your life ah

2548
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:48,639
there's nothing there man yeah man i

2549
01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:51,440
don't know about ufos and there you go

2550
01:45:56,629 --> 01:45:53,440
and i'm i'm saying it on the pa and i

2551
01:46:00,070 --> 01:45:56,639
was like really two what

2552
01:46:02,229 --> 01:46:00,080
okay all right let's leave that right

2553
01:46:05,109 --> 01:46:02,239
there okay so you know just a couple of

2554
01:46:07,109 --> 01:46:05,119
fun facts about john alexander

2555
01:46:08,229 --> 01:46:07,119
let's not let's not take this too far in

2556
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:08,239
that direction we're talking about the

2557
01:46:12,950 --> 01:46:11,119
ufo hearing we can do a john alexander

2558
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:12,960
show later though well he's you know

2559
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:15,199
that this guy is is going to emerge as

2560
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:17,520
one of the biggest figures behind the

2561
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:18,960
scenes in this field there's these

2562
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:21,040
front-facing guys that have always said

2563
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:23,360
they're friendly to the field uh pope

2564
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:25,520
alexander and now we have elizondo and

2565
01:46:30,070 --> 01:46:28,400
melon that are basically the well i know

2566
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:30,080
stuff but i can't tell you and i hope

2567
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:31,679
that you're going to be okay with that

2568
01:46:34,629 --> 01:46:33,040
which which is

2569
01:46:35,910 --> 01:46:34,639
it but it freaks me out that people are

2570
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:35,920
even willing to accept that at that

2571
01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:37,199
level but

2572
01:46:41,189 --> 01:46:39,360
alexander's story is is very interesting

2573
01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:41,199
and in my film we're going to learn some

2574
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:42,880
stuff about this guy that i promise you

2575
01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:45,600
is going to blow your mind well okay

2576
01:46:51,030 --> 01:46:46,480
let's

2577
01:46:53,430 --> 01:46:51,040
there is a tie into the ufo hearing when

2578
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:53,440
it comes to alex well there is yeah

2579
01:46:59,270 --> 01:46:55,760
well okay i would love to hear yours

2580
01:47:00,470 --> 01:46:59,280
this is mine is john alexander relevant

2581
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:00,480
today

2582
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:05,360
talking about 30 years ago

2583
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:07,840
talking about right now in 2022 is

2584
01:47:13,270 --> 01:47:10,560
anybody listening to john alexander is

2585
01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:13,280
he on some committee is he going to be

2586
01:47:16,550 --> 01:47:15,520
called to testify my answer to that is

2587
01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:16,560
no

2588
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:20,080
his his information is 30 years old is

2589
01:47:22,709 --> 01:47:20,960
is it

2590
01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:22,719
cool sure

2591
01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:25,199
is it relevant today

2592
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:27,920
i'm not so sure that that he's somebody

2593
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:29,600
that you invite to the party there's

2594
01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:31,840
nothing that he can bring

2595
01:47:36,229 --> 01:47:34,000
well there's a few reasons he's relevant

2596
01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:36,239
and one of them is that as we try to

2597
01:47:41,590 --> 01:47:38,880
establish the fact that there is this

2598
01:47:43,910 --> 01:47:41,600
big lie of ufology this gap between blue

2599
01:47:46,229 --> 01:47:43,920
book and this gay and nature john

2600
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:46,239
alexander is a central figure in filling

2601
01:47:51,430 --> 01:47:48,800
that gap and this is the guy that knows

2602
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:51,440
where where the information is and so if

2603
01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:52,800
we if we're willing to accept the

2604
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:55,280
whitewashing of these programs then yes

2605
01:47:59,830 --> 01:47:58,080
him and his and his contributions can

2606
01:48:02,470 --> 01:47:59,840
just be part of what gets you know

2607
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:02,480
relegated to to the basement but if you

2608
01:48:06,709 --> 01:48:04,960
really want to know what went on between

2609
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:06,719
then and and now

2610
01:48:12,070 --> 01:48:09,360
he he knows a lot he won't tell you a

2611
01:48:13,030 --> 01:48:12,080
lot but he was part of it and um

2612
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:13,040
and

2613
01:48:18,070 --> 01:48:15,679
all paths to many paths to figuring out

2614
01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:18,080
that mystery lie with what john

2615
01:48:22,149 --> 01:48:20,560
alexander will tell you but even more

2616
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:22,159
they lie with the things that he won't

2617
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:23,360
tell you

2618
01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:26,080
now uh talking about the cover-up

2619
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:27,679
uh the

2620
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:31,440
the the hearing took a very strange turn

2621
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:32,400
and

2622
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:33,199
uh

2623
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:34,320
for me

2624
01:48:37,669 --> 01:48:35,920
when uh

2625
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:37,679
uh lahood

2626
01:48:41,830 --> 01:48:39,760
uh representative lahood

2627
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:41,840
literally said

2628
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:45,360
um that he he wants to talk about those

2629
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:47,760
amateur ufo groups

2630
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:50,719
now in my opinion this is my opinion i

2631
01:48:54,390 --> 01:48:52,639
would love yours i think he was taking a

2632
01:48:57,990 --> 01:48:54,400
crack at mufon

2633
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:58,000
and and he says that these amateur ufo

2634
01:49:01,830 --> 01:49:00,400
groups that are putting out bad

2635
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:01,840
information

2636
01:49:04,149 --> 01:49:02,880
and

2637
01:49:06,070 --> 01:49:04,159
uh

2638
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:06,080
he said misinformation he said

2639
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:09,119
disinformation and then he called for

2640
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:11,119
deterrence

2641
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:13,599
with this activity now that censorship

2642
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:14,719
right there

2643
01:49:17,350 --> 01:49:15,760
what's that

2644
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:17,360
crack it move on

2645
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:18,880
and and

2646
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:19,679
uh

2647
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:22,320
by saying that they wanted deterrence

2648
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:23,760
over this misinformation and

2649
01:49:28,149 --> 01:49:26,239
disinformation is censorship you're

2650
01:49:29,350 --> 01:49:28,159
gonna laugh at me and and maybe some of

2651
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:29,360
the audience too i don't think he was

2652
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:31,679
talking about mufon because mufon has

2653
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:34,400
never been a source of disinformation

2654
01:49:38,470 --> 01:49:36,480
all we do is take reports from around

2655
01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:38,480
the world and publish them

2656
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:40,480
very rarely are we publishing things

2657
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:42,400
that are not the results of scientific

2658
01:49:47,350 --> 01:49:44,639
studies or case reports that are

2659
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:47,360
evaluated on an unbiased basis we don't

2660
01:49:50,950 --> 01:49:49,280
put out our opinion of stuff in fact a

2661
01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:50,960
lot of the things that i've said tonight

2662
01:49:54,830 --> 01:49:52,480
are my own personal opinion as an

2663
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:54,840
investigator in a field

2664
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:56,400
um

2665
01:50:03,430 --> 01:49:59,040
i agree with you i i need to interrupt

2666
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:03,440
i'm not saying that what uh lahood

2667
01:50:06,790 --> 01:50:05,040
said was correct

2668
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:06,800
i'm not saying that at all what i'm

2669
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:09,840
saying is he implied when you say

2670
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:11,840
amateur ufo group

2671
01:50:15,350 --> 01:50:12,960
if there's

2672
01:50:17,750 --> 01:50:15,360
there's there's only one ufo group

2673
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:17,760
there's only one it's mufon and we all

2674
01:50:22,070 --> 01:50:18,800
know that

2675
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:22,080
and and that i i think i like that say

2676
01:50:25,990 --> 01:50:23,520
that again can you say that louder can

2677
01:50:27,589 --> 01:50:26,000
we put it on the website

2678
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:27,599
i'm not dumb

2679
01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:30,239
you know and so when i hear that

2680
01:50:34,229 --> 01:50:32,639
i i just thought to myself he is

2681
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:34,239
misinformed

2682
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:38,320
um he is he's speaking from information

2683
01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:41,040
that was whispered in his ear and he

2684
01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:43,599
wants to control the narrative and and

2685
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:46,639
have his cognitive dissonant blinders on

2686
01:50:51,030 --> 01:50:47,920
and he doesn't want to listen to

2687
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:51,040
anything else well luckily jimmy mufon

2688
01:50:55,750 --> 01:50:53,440
is in washington dc talking to these

2689
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:55,760
people and um and

2690
01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:57,520
we're actually being very well received

2691
01:51:02,070 --> 01:51:00,800
and our credibility is is above a lot

2692
01:51:03,990 --> 01:51:02,080
and i think they're referring to some of

2693
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:04,000
these other organizations that are

2694
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:06,000
saying things that you know we're just

2695
01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:07,840
based on we repeat reports blah blah

2696
01:51:13,109 --> 01:51:10,800
blah there's a lot of of groups that are

2697
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:13,119
out there that and you can define them

2698
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:15,760
as groups rather their websites of

2699
01:51:19,189 --> 01:51:17,520
publishers or

2700
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:19,199
groups with

2701
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:21,520
putting on you know different types of

2702
01:51:25,669 --> 01:51:23,920
symposiums so that you know defining

2703
01:51:28,149 --> 01:51:25,679
groups doesn't have to be just move on

2704
01:51:29,830 --> 01:51:28,159
as an organization or any organization

2705
01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:29,840
and i and i have a feeling i know who

2706
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:31,520
he's talking about specifically i'm not

2707
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:33,280
gonna say because i'll get myself in a

2708
01:51:37,589 --> 01:51:35,920
whole lot of trouble but um

2709
01:51:40,790 --> 01:51:37,599
buffon's been very well accepted in

2710
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:40,800
these in these circles and because they

2711
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:43,040
respect us as an organization but the

2712
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:45,199
idea that there should be penalties for

2713
01:51:48,390 --> 01:51:47,119
free speech i mean this is just

2714
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:48,400
something that's running rampant in the

2715
01:51:52,070 --> 01:51:50,480
country and it's not just in ufology and

2716
01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:52,080
for anybody to say

2717
01:51:55,910 --> 01:51:52,880
that

2718
01:51:57,830 --> 01:51:55,920
repercussions for repeating information

2719
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:57,840
that may or may not be true about the

2720
01:52:03,109 --> 01:52:00,639
ufo field that's genuinely scary

2721
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:03,119
yeah it is it is it really freaked me

2722
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:06,639
out and using a word like deterrence

2723
01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:08,239
in session

2724
01:52:14,229 --> 01:52:12,080
world does

2725
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:14,239
does he want this to be well you know

2726
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:15,440
the kind where you can't say the word

2727
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:17,760
war or you go to jail for 15 years

2728
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:19,199
it's getting it you know that's getting

2729
01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:21,199
into the whole political stuff that's

2730
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:22,800
just getting more and more scary all

2731
01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:24,639
over the world

2732
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:25,760
the uh

2733
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:29,199
there was uh for me now if there was a

2734
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:31,679
highlight um

2735
01:52:36,629 --> 01:52:33,760
in the entire hearing

2736
01:52:38,709 --> 01:52:36,639
yeah and my new hero is representative

2737
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:38,719
welsh now people are talking about blue

2738
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:39,840
chad and they want to talk about

2739
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:41,599
gallagher

2740
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:46,880
representative welch literally said

2741
01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:48,400
the universe

2742
01:52:55,550 --> 01:52:54,000
there's a lot of life out there what are

2743
01:52:58,149 --> 01:52:55,560
we going to talk about e.t and

2744
01:53:03,669 --> 01:52:58,159
extraterrestrials visiting this planet

2745
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:04,629
wiggle

2746
01:53:09,750 --> 01:53:07,679
right and their answer and and and the

2747
01:53:12,550 --> 01:53:09,760
way that they tried to play and and

2748
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:12,560
welsh came back with uh and i'm

2749
01:53:15,669 --> 01:53:14,320
paraphrasing okay you don't want to talk

2750
01:53:17,589 --> 01:53:15,679
about that now

2751
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:17,599
are we going to talk about et and

2752
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:19,280
extraterrestrials

2753
01:53:25,910 --> 01:53:22,560
in the uh classified section

2754
01:53:29,189 --> 01:53:25,920
of this hearing later on this afternoon

2755
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:29,199
and moultrie answers with well you know

2756
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:33,199
we're working with nasa uh about et and

2757
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:36,480
we are uh looking for or for life out

2758
01:53:39,830 --> 01:53:37,599
there

2759
01:53:41,910 --> 01:53:39,840
and i thought that that was again pretty

2760
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:41,920
interesting but welsh

2761
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:49,910
uh ron

2762
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:50,800
yes

2763
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:53,040
quit stay out of the chat room turn it

2764
01:53:59,270 --> 01:53:54,560
off

2765
01:54:01,109 --> 01:53:59,280
this is a show

2766
01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:01,119
you know we're live on the air

2767
01:54:04,229 --> 01:54:02,719
yeah i'm sorry i'm trying to interact

2768
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:04,239
with the audience who keeps asking me

2769
01:54:14,790 --> 01:54:11,830
they let them do their own thing

2770
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:14,800
it's going to be 2 000 posts there okay

2771
01:54:19,270 --> 01:54:18,000
so what was my question

2772
01:54:21,669 --> 01:54:19,280
just now

2773
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:21,679
no yeah well see

2774
01:54:27,109 --> 01:54:23,760
stay out of the chat but you okay yeah

2775
01:54:32,189 --> 01:54:29,270
ron

2776
01:54:33,910 --> 01:54:32,199
representative welsh brought up et's and

2777
01:54:35,910 --> 01:54:33,920
extraterrestrials and whether it was

2778
01:54:37,030 --> 01:54:35,920
going to be addressed in the classified

2779
01:54:40,070 --> 01:54:37,040
briefing

2780
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:40,080
and he turned the hearing around on that

2781
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:41,520
point i thought it was the most

2782
01:54:47,910 --> 01:54:45,280
important point of the entire hearing

2783
01:54:49,109 --> 01:54:47,920
what did you think of representative

2784
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:49,119
welsh's

2785
01:54:52,629 --> 01:54:50,800
uh question about e.t and

2786
01:54:54,709 --> 01:54:52,639
extraterrestrials

2787
01:54:56,390 --> 01:54:54,719
well i think that when they're behind

2788
01:54:58,390 --> 01:54:56,400
closed doors they're not going to get

2789
01:54:59,910 --> 01:54:58,400
too much more information than they got

2790
01:55:01,030 --> 01:54:59,920
in front of people you can tell that

2791
01:55:02,709 --> 01:55:01,040
they haven't been getting that

2792
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:02,719
information because there's still too

2793
01:55:06,310 --> 01:55:04,719
many of them that are on the fence i

2794
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:06,320
know that when we've been in in dc

2795
01:55:11,189 --> 01:55:08,320
having these conversations there are

2796
01:55:12,950 --> 01:55:11,199
literally people on these committees and

2797
01:55:15,189 --> 01:55:12,960
staffers that say that they are

2798
01:55:17,669 --> 01:55:15,199
underwhelmed and unconvinced by what

2799
01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:17,679
they've seen so the idea that after this

2800
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:19,280
thing everybody went into the little

2801
01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:22,960
private soiree and and et was revealed i

2802
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:24,960
i don't think that that happened or or

2803
01:55:29,350 --> 01:55:26,880
has happened really uh which is

2804
01:55:30,950 --> 01:55:29,360
disappointing um so the fact that

2805
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:30,960
they're asking those questions is great

2806
01:55:33,990 --> 01:55:32,560
but the fact that we're dealing with

2807
01:55:36,390 --> 01:55:34,000
people that are still

2808
01:55:38,470 --> 01:55:36,400
not going to reveal it or maybe it

2809
01:55:40,629 --> 01:55:38,480
hasn't even been revealed to them or

2810
01:55:41,669 --> 01:55:40,639
somewhere in between is is a little bit

2811
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:41,679
uh

2812
01:55:45,669 --> 01:55:42,960
disappointing

2813
01:55:47,830 --> 01:55:45,679
well okay so well you brought up

2814
01:55:51,430 --> 01:55:47,840
crawford early on

2815
01:55:54,390 --> 01:55:51,440
and it was right after uh

2816
01:55:56,310 --> 01:55:54,400
uh welch uh asked about the classified

2817
01:55:58,229 --> 01:55:56,320
briefing later and they would stay out

2818
01:55:59,589 --> 01:55:58,239
of the chat room ron i'm watching i i

2819
01:56:00,790 --> 01:55:59,599
blocked it i'm not i'm not even there

2820
01:56:03,030 --> 01:56:00,800
i'm looking at my notes that's the chat

2821
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:03,040
room that chat room you have no idea

2822
01:56:06,470 --> 01:56:04,560
what you're opening up that's a can of

2823
01:56:09,189 --> 01:56:06,480
worms you don't want to jump into

2824
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:09,199
and and so crawford later

2825
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:11,440
um after welsh

2826
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:13,520
crawford comes back with and this is

2827
01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:16,880
what impressed me about crawford right

2828
01:56:22,629 --> 01:56:19,440
he's not that bad of a guy because he

2829
01:56:27,430 --> 01:56:22,639
asked if they had any evidence about

2830
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:27,440
anything not being from this planet

2831
01:56:32,229 --> 01:56:29,920
that was crawford and he went there bray

2832
01:56:34,709 --> 01:56:32,239
responded with um

2833
01:56:38,470 --> 01:56:34,719
uh well they they have examples of

2834
01:56:41,270 --> 01:56:38,480
things that they cannot explain

2835
01:56:43,750 --> 01:56:41,280
now this is this is very good and this

2836
01:56:46,870 --> 01:56:43,760
will lead to the next hearing

2837
01:56:48,550 --> 01:56:46,880
this conversation can continue on

2838
01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:48,560
it can but see the way it's going to

2839
01:56:52,550 --> 01:56:50,080
continue jimmy is that everything is

2840
01:56:55,589 --> 01:56:52,560
going to be put into the box or the

2841
01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:55,599
stovepipe of the uap task force so in

2842
01:56:58,950 --> 01:56:56,560
other words

2843
01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:58,960
the the stuff that they've been um

2844
01:57:03,109 --> 01:57:00,719
tasked with investigating and the

2845
01:57:04,390 --> 01:57:03,119
results of their investigation is all

2846
01:57:06,790 --> 01:57:04,400
the things that are going to go in this

2847
01:57:08,790 --> 01:57:06,800
box they're not going to be able to go

2848
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:08,800
hey you know that black office at the

2849
01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:11,440
pentagon way down deep where those guys

2850
01:57:14,870 --> 01:57:13,119
are rumored to have all this information

2851
01:57:16,149 --> 01:57:14,880
can you guys just give us access to that

2852
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:16,159
so that we could take it out of your

2853
01:57:20,629 --> 01:57:18,880
files and put it into our uap task force

2854
01:57:22,950 --> 01:57:20,639
box where we can then share it with

2855
01:57:25,109 --> 01:57:22,960
everybody that's not going to happen so

2856
01:57:28,310 --> 01:57:25,119
the these these new

2857
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:28,320
agencies and groups have been created to

2858
01:57:34,310 --> 01:57:30,480
to basically take care of the box so

2859
01:57:35,830 --> 01:57:34,320
yeah they're gonna how do we fix it

2860
01:57:38,629 --> 01:57:35,840
we have to get really aggressive

2861
01:57:40,390 --> 01:57:38,639
politicians um that that are not going

2862
01:57:41,669 --> 01:57:40,400
to take no for an answer and you know we

2863
01:57:43,750 --> 01:57:41,679
don't have a lot of those there's

2864
01:57:45,830 --> 01:57:43,760
there's some but at the end of the day

2865
01:57:46,950 --> 01:57:45,840
there there could be a really good

2866
01:57:49,270 --> 01:57:46,960
reason

2867
01:57:51,830 --> 01:57:49,280
that this is being kept a secret that

2868
01:57:53,589 --> 01:57:51,840
goes way beyond the the stuff that we

2869
01:57:55,030 --> 01:57:53,599
think are they covering up technology

2870
01:57:57,589 --> 01:57:55,040
they don't want to share blah blah blah

2871
01:57:59,910 --> 01:57:57,599
blah what if it's just a really kind of

2872
01:58:02,229 --> 01:57:59,920
unpleasant situation and the mass

2873
01:58:03,750 --> 01:58:02,239
realization of our place in the universe

2874
01:58:05,910 --> 01:58:03,760
is not really anything that's going to

2875
01:58:07,830 --> 01:58:05,920
benefit humanity and and the more i

2876
01:58:09,830 --> 01:58:07,840
delve into this like the more i'm coming

2877
01:58:12,870 --> 01:58:09,840
to the conclusion that there's an aspect

2878
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:12,880
of that to this that to this secrecy and

2879
01:58:18,709 --> 01:58:16,239
this demand for secrecy and this

2880
01:58:20,470 --> 01:58:18,719
major major motions that they've gone

2881
01:58:23,030 --> 01:58:20,480
through for years and years and years to

2882
01:58:25,270 --> 01:58:23,040
keep it a secret it's not all nefarious

2883
01:58:26,229 --> 01:58:25,280
there there is probably a very good

2884
01:58:29,189 --> 01:58:26,239
reason

2885
01:58:30,790 --> 01:58:29,199
at play as well and there's a big

2886
01:58:32,550 --> 01:58:30,800
possibility that that reason is

2887
01:58:33,990 --> 01:58:32,560
something we do not want to know

2888
01:58:35,910 --> 01:58:34,000
unfortunately

2889
01:58:37,430 --> 01:58:35,920
in reference to what

2890
01:58:42,149 --> 01:58:37,440
in reference to

2891
01:58:44,709 --> 01:58:42,159
uh our our actual role in the food chain

2892
01:58:48,149 --> 01:58:44,719
so to speak not necessarily food but uh

2893
01:58:49,109 --> 01:58:48,159
you know just what we are why we're here

2894
01:58:51,430 --> 01:58:49,119
and

2895
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:51,440
what we are to to the whole broader

2896
01:58:56,790 --> 01:58:54,800
scheme of our place in the galaxy

2897
01:58:59,669 --> 01:58:56,800
but but isn't that a conversation that

2898
01:59:03,189 --> 01:58:59,679
needs to happen in a public forum

2899
01:59:04,149 --> 01:59:03,199
i mean that i i feel that the opposite

2900
01:59:05,589 --> 01:59:04,159
is true

2901
01:59:07,669 --> 01:59:05,599
and that we do need to have these

2902
01:59:08,629 --> 01:59:07,679
conversations and not

2903
01:59:11,030 --> 01:59:08,639
uh

2904
01:59:13,030 --> 01:59:11,040
and not shut it down i i'm a little

2905
01:59:14,709 --> 01:59:13,040
confused here well there are there's

2906
01:59:16,390 --> 01:59:14,719
obviously people that have decided to

2907
01:59:18,229 --> 01:59:16,400
manage this information for whatever

2908
01:59:19,669 --> 01:59:18,239
reason that haven't shared it with us

2909
01:59:20,709 --> 01:59:19,679
and all i'm saying is that maybe there's

2910
01:59:22,390 --> 01:59:20,719
a reason

2911
01:59:24,709 --> 01:59:22,400
that that they haven't that's not as

2912
01:59:27,189 --> 01:59:24,719
good as as we think you know we have

2913
01:59:29,030 --> 01:59:27,199
this idea of of extraterrestrials and

2914
01:59:30,790 --> 01:59:29,040
it's all like well you know maybe we're

2915
01:59:32,310 --> 01:59:30,800
being nurtured for one day we can be

2916
01:59:34,790 --> 01:59:32,320
part of a galactic federation or

2917
01:59:35,830 --> 01:59:34,800
whatever but what if that's not it you

2918
01:59:37,350 --> 01:59:35,840
know there's there's all kinds of

2919
01:59:39,589 --> 01:59:37,360
speculation out there and it's only

2920
01:59:41,189 --> 01:59:39,599
speculation maybe we're cattle of some

2921
01:59:43,990 --> 01:59:41,199
kind maybe we're property maybe this

2922
01:59:45,109 --> 01:59:44,000
whole planet is a genetic farm who knows

2923
01:59:46,790 --> 01:59:45,119
but

2924
01:59:50,310 --> 01:59:46,800
people always ask me if humanity is

2925
01:59:52,790 --> 01:59:50,320
ready for disclosure and the answer that

2926
01:59:53,589 --> 01:59:52,800
i have evolved over over time here is

2927
01:59:55,430 --> 01:59:53,599
that

2928
01:59:57,750 --> 01:59:55,440
it depends on what the context of

2929
02:00:00,550 --> 01:59:57,760
disclosure is it's going to make all the

2930
02:00:02,310 --> 02:00:00,560
difference if disclosure is there's

2931
02:00:04,229 --> 02:00:02,320
extraterrestrials interdimensionals

2932
02:00:05,830 --> 02:00:04,239
there's all manner of other life forms

2933
02:00:07,990 --> 02:00:05,840
coming from all manners of places that

2934
02:00:11,109 --> 02:00:08,000
we can't even imagine they represent no

2935
02:00:12,790 --> 02:00:11,119
danger to us we're we're a part of it

2936
02:00:15,030 --> 02:00:12,800
and we're just evolving with the

2937
02:00:17,030 --> 02:00:15,040
ecosystem then that's great everybody

2938
02:00:18,790 --> 02:00:17,040
goes cool that's fantastic and they go

2939
02:00:20,550 --> 02:00:18,800
back to their lives and they study it

2940
02:00:21,830 --> 02:00:20,560
deeper if they want but what if the

2941
02:00:24,470 --> 02:00:21,840
answer is

2942
02:00:26,390 --> 02:00:24,480
we are a completely subjugated race

2943
02:00:28,550 --> 02:00:26,400
there's we're being overseen by all

2944
02:00:30,470 --> 02:00:28,560
kinds of different forces in the in the

2945
02:00:33,990 --> 02:00:30,480
the universe that we have no control

2946
02:00:36,070 --> 02:00:34,000
over we are not this kind of evolved

2947
02:00:36,950 --> 02:00:36,080
species that we think we are

2948
02:00:40,390 --> 02:00:36,960
and

2949
02:00:41,750 --> 02:00:40,400
the there is no real future for humanity

2950
02:00:44,310 --> 02:00:41,760
anywhere we're just being used for

2951
02:00:47,109 --> 02:00:44,320
whatever purpose by uh beings that we

2952
02:00:49,510 --> 02:00:47,119
that we have no power over well now that

2953
02:00:51,589 --> 02:00:49,520
disclosure changes the entire paradigm

2954
02:00:54,310 --> 02:00:51,599
of humanity and nobody goes back to

2955
02:00:55,990 --> 02:00:54,320
their day-to-day they go into panic mode

2956
02:00:58,149 --> 02:00:56,000
personal despair and we have the

2957
02:01:01,589 --> 02:00:58,159
complete de-evolution of our

2958
02:01:04,790 --> 02:01:01,599
civilization so disclosure and the

2959
02:01:07,109 --> 02:01:04,800
public reaction to it is subjective

2960
02:01:08,870 --> 02:01:07,119
to what that disclosure is and what it

2961
02:01:11,510 --> 02:01:08,880
tells us about how we fit into the big

2962
02:01:13,030 --> 02:01:11,520
picture and so i'm not saying that i any

2963
02:01:15,270 --> 02:01:13,040
of these things are something that i

2964
02:01:18,149 --> 02:01:15,280
believe or are possible while they're

2965
02:01:19,430 --> 02:01:18,159
possible but what i am saying is that

2966
02:01:21,270 --> 02:01:19,440
there's a lot of different angles to

2967
02:01:22,149 --> 02:01:21,280
look at this from even about where these

2968
02:01:23,510 --> 02:01:22,159
things are from are they

2969
02:01:24,790 --> 02:01:23,520
interdimensional are they traveling

2970
02:01:26,870 --> 02:01:24,800
through time are they coming from

2971
02:01:29,589 --> 02:01:26,880
another planet are they inside the earth

2972
02:01:31,669 --> 02:01:29,599
uh or all of the above plus a bunch of

2973
02:01:32,709 --> 02:01:31,679
things that we don't even understand yet

2974
02:01:34,950 --> 02:01:32,719
sure

2975
02:01:37,510 --> 02:01:34,960
and i you know i think uh i've got to

2976
02:01:40,629 --> 02:01:37,520
take a break in 15 seconds my i think

2977
02:01:42,470 --> 02:01:40,639
that the planet's response to everything

2978
02:01:44,390 --> 02:01:42,480
that you just said

2979
02:01:46,790 --> 02:01:44,400
is yes so

2980
02:01:48,629 --> 02:01:46,800
so of course we're not the smartest

2981
02:01:50,790 --> 02:01:48,639
people in the neighborhood of course

2982
02:01:52,709 --> 02:01:50,800
there's more advanced things out there

2983
02:01:54,550 --> 02:01:52,719
than us of course there's things that we

2984
02:01:56,229 --> 02:01:54,560
don't understand of course we could be

2985
02:01:58,950 --> 02:01:56,239
under some kind of control but there's

2986
02:02:01,030 --> 02:01:58,960
probably 10 000 different races that are

2987
02:02:02,149 --> 02:02:01,040
visiting this planet and it's out of our

2988
02:02:04,790 --> 02:02:02,159
control

2989
02:02:07,589 --> 02:02:04,800
what's the big surprise here and i i

2990
02:02:09,430 --> 02:02:07,599
don't think we would collapse and that

2991
02:02:12,390 --> 02:02:09,440
we would lose our minds if we thought

2992
02:02:13,589 --> 02:02:12,400
that uh no we all have pets that we

2993
02:02:15,109 --> 02:02:13,599
control

2994
02:02:16,149 --> 02:02:15,119
right

2995
02:02:17,589 --> 02:02:16,159
yeah

2996
02:02:19,990 --> 02:02:17,599
but do you want to be a pet i mean i

2997
02:02:21,990 --> 02:02:20,000
argue in my film that that we're all

2998
02:02:24,950 --> 02:02:22,000
these these spiritual creatures having a

2999
02:02:26,390 --> 02:02:24,960
human experience and and many of us

3000
02:02:27,830 --> 02:02:26,400
the people that you're referring to are

3001
02:02:30,149 --> 02:02:27,840
the ones that are so stuck in this

3002
02:02:31,669 --> 02:02:30,159
day-to-day going through the motions of

3003
02:02:33,750 --> 02:02:31,679
of you know working their jobs and

3004
02:02:35,510 --> 02:02:33,760
paying their bills and living here in

3005
02:02:36,709 --> 02:02:35,520
this physical reality

3006
02:02:39,030 --> 02:02:36,719
but the people that are paying a whole

3007
02:02:40,950 --> 02:02:39,040
lot of attention to you know what am i

3008
02:02:42,470 --> 02:02:40,960
really why am i really here what is the

3009
02:02:44,310 --> 02:02:42,480
core of my existence of what happens

3010
02:02:46,390 --> 02:02:44,320
after i'm not here anymore the people

3011
02:02:48,310 --> 02:02:46,400
that are paying that kind of attention

3012
02:02:50,390 --> 02:02:48,320
to their existence here that they're

3013
02:02:52,790 --> 02:02:50,400
it's a little different subset and those

3014
02:02:55,189 --> 02:02:52,800
people this information is vital to to

3015
02:02:56,470 --> 02:02:55,199
them understanding their journey and

3016
02:02:58,470 --> 02:02:56,480
depending on the nature of that

3017
02:03:00,709 --> 02:02:58,480
information is going to define how they

3018
02:03:02,310 --> 02:03:00,719
interpret their journey so we're dealing

3019
02:03:04,709 --> 02:03:02,320
we're talking about two different kinds

3020
02:03:06,470 --> 02:03:04,719
of of people and all those in between

3021
02:03:07,990 --> 02:03:06,480
but there's a lot of people that do care

3022
02:03:10,310 --> 02:03:08,000
and that this would mean a lot to and

3023
02:03:11,830 --> 02:03:10,320
the implications would would change the

3024
02:03:13,189 --> 02:03:11,840
way they perceive themselves and live

3025
02:03:14,870 --> 02:03:13,199
their lives and then you're right

3026
02:03:16,229 --> 02:03:14,880
there's a whole lot of other people that

3027
02:03:17,830 --> 02:03:16,239
you know they don't really care and

3028
02:03:19,510 --> 02:03:17,840
there's nothing wrong with being in

3029
02:03:21,669 --> 02:03:19,520
either subset

3030
02:03:24,149 --> 02:03:21,679
i'm a big fan of you know you're here to

3031
02:03:26,070 --> 02:03:24,159
to be a human on planet earth embrace it

3032
02:03:27,189 --> 02:03:26,080
do it because someday you're going to be

3033
02:03:28,470 --> 02:03:27,199
done

3034
02:03:30,310 --> 02:03:28,480
you know so there's two different ways

3035
02:03:33,030 --> 02:03:30,320
to look at it but i do think that the

3036
02:03:35,910 --> 02:03:33,040
the implications of it uh really do

3037
02:03:37,750 --> 02:03:35,920
affect the reaction so so we're kind of

3038
02:03:39,350 --> 02:03:37,760
close but not really on that okay let's

3039
02:03:41,030 --> 02:03:39,360
take our break right here this is fate

3040
02:03:43,830 --> 02:03:41,040
to black i am your host jimmy church our

3041
02:03:45,750 --> 02:03:43,840
guest tonight ron james of mufon is with

3042
02:03:47,830 --> 02:03:45,760
us it is night three

3043
02:03:49,270 --> 02:03:47,840
of our ufo hearing week here on faded

3044
02:03:51,830 --> 02:03:49,280
black i'm yours jimmy church stay with

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us we'll be right back

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3072
02:05:17,030 --> 02:05:12,629
this is jimmy church of fade to black

3073
02:05:19,750 --> 02:05:17,040
and this year june 18 2022

3074
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3075
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3086
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3087
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[Music]

3096
02:06:30,390 --> 02:06:29,109
you wanna know a secret

3097
02:06:34,229 --> 02:06:30,400
i love

3098
02:06:36,470 --> 02:06:34,239
ponies i really love ponies i'm serious

3099
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:36,480
i couldn't stay sane without ponies to

3100
02:06:39,910 --> 02:06:37,840
brush

3101
02:06:46,390 --> 02:06:39,920
why fade to black

3102
02:06:52,450 --> 02:06:48,550
this is fade to black with jimmy church

3103
02:07:04,390 --> 02:06:52,460
on the game changer radio network

3104
02:07:06,550 --> 02:07:04,400
[Music]

3105
02:07:08,149 --> 02:07:06,560
great conversation tonight i am your

3106
02:07:09,830 --> 02:07:08,159
host jimmy church our guest tonight ron

3107
02:07:11,830 --> 02:07:09,840
james of mufon

3108
02:07:13,750 --> 02:07:11,840
ron has been investigating the subject

3109
02:07:15,910 --> 02:07:13,760
from every angle for

3110
02:07:17,350 --> 02:07:15,920
many many years

3111
02:07:20,149 --> 02:07:17,360
and uh

3112
02:07:22,470 --> 02:07:20,159
i remember uh we're going to continue on

3113
02:07:24,550 --> 02:07:22,480
here on i remember when we first met it

3114
02:07:27,030 --> 02:07:24,560
was probably uh

3115
02:07:30,310 --> 02:07:27,040
eight or nine years ago now and and i

3116
02:07:32,629 --> 02:07:30,320
went up uh you may remember this it

3117
02:07:36,470 --> 02:07:32,639
doesn't even matter but i went up and i

3118
02:07:38,390 --> 02:07:36,480
looked at you had um all of your uh tv

3119
02:07:41,750 --> 02:07:38,400
shows and dvds and laid out and your

3120
02:07:43,830 --> 02:07:41,760
movies and i was like holy crap

3121
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:43,840
you've been doing it and it was just so

3122
02:07:49,589 --> 02:07:46,560
funny you go man you have no idea church

3123
02:07:52,870 --> 02:07:49,599
and uh i was very impressed and and your

3124
02:07:55,669 --> 02:07:52,880
stuff and and how much of it is is out

3125
02:07:57,669 --> 02:07:55,679
there and you've been doing everything

3126
02:07:59,030 --> 02:07:57,679
uh to get this out into the public for a

3127
02:08:01,589 --> 02:07:59,040
very long time you've been fighting the

3128
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:01,599
good fight so thank you for that um now

3129
02:08:05,350 --> 02:08:03,440
i want to get back to your point

3130
02:08:08,550 --> 02:08:05,360
um

3131
02:08:10,790 --> 02:08:08,560
the threat narrative

3132
02:08:13,830 --> 02:08:10,800
which uh

3133
02:08:16,390 --> 02:08:13,840
uh was brought up by the media and the

3134
02:08:18,629 --> 02:08:16,400
department of defense uh for the last

3135
02:08:21,109 --> 02:08:18,639
four years and specifically talking

3136
02:08:22,390 --> 02:08:21,119
about the tic tac entering our airspace

3137
02:08:28,149 --> 02:08:22,400
and and

3138
02:08:30,390 --> 02:08:28,159
they wanted uh i would say this this is

3139
02:08:32,550 --> 02:08:30,400
my response to that

3140
02:08:36,709 --> 02:08:32,560
um

3141
02:08:41,109 --> 02:08:38,709
and that roomba

3142
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:41,119
does whatever it wants

3143
02:08:48,870 --> 02:08:45,599
and and when it

3144
02:08:50,550 --> 02:08:48,880
encounters the leg of a chair it moves

3145
02:08:52,790 --> 02:08:50,560
doesn't want to hit it

3146
02:08:56,470 --> 02:08:52,800
a wall it avoids it

3147
02:09:00,470 --> 02:08:56,480
and if the tic tac was extraterrestrial

3148
02:09:05,350 --> 02:09:00,480
it exhibited the same traits

3149
02:09:07,350 --> 02:09:05,360
it has been programmed to avoid issues

3150
02:09:10,629 --> 02:09:07,360
like my roomba

3151
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:10,639
and it avoided flavor

3152
02:09:16,629 --> 02:09:13,280
right it avoided it didn't it didn't

3153
02:09:19,109 --> 02:09:16,639
shoot at favor and if my roomba turns

3154
02:09:22,069 --> 02:09:19,119
around and takes a shot at me in my

3155
02:09:24,550 --> 02:09:22,079
house or then my room was a threat

3156
02:09:27,350 --> 02:09:24,560
but it didn't take a shot at favor it

3157
02:09:29,750 --> 02:09:27,360
avoided fravor

3158
02:09:32,790 --> 02:09:29,760
like so many other objects that we have

3159
02:09:34,870 --> 02:09:32,800
all witnessed and seen and documented

3160
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:34,880
i have yet to see

3161
02:09:39,030 --> 02:09:35,920
uh

3162
02:09:41,750 --> 02:09:39,040
a plasma weapon used on downtown los

3163
02:09:42,550 --> 02:09:41,760
angeles i haven't seen that yet

3164
02:09:45,430 --> 02:09:42,560
so

3165
02:09:48,790 --> 02:09:45,440
the threat narrative uh that these

3166
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:48,800
things pose a threat they avoid us

3167
02:09:53,589 --> 02:09:51,440
but i don't see that as being a threat

3168
02:09:56,069 --> 02:09:53,599
and that is always going to be my

3169
02:09:58,390 --> 02:09:56,079
position until i have evidence of

3170
02:10:00,310 --> 02:09:58,400
something else going on ron

3171
02:10:02,229 --> 02:10:00,320
i'm sorry i got kind of taken away by

3172
02:10:03,830 --> 02:10:02,239
that i just have this image in my mind

3173
02:10:05,510 --> 02:10:03,840
of you walking into your living room and

3174
02:10:08,550 --> 02:10:05,520
there's the roomba and you're about to

3175
02:10:10,790 --> 02:10:08,560
step on it and it blasts 80 000 feet and

3176
02:10:11,130 --> 02:10:10,800
it goes through your roof comes back

3177
02:10:13,109 --> 02:10:11,140
down

3178
02:10:14,790 --> 02:10:13,119
[Laughter]

3179
02:10:16,310 --> 02:10:14,800
that might be a threat but no i'm not a

3180
02:10:18,790 --> 02:10:16,320
fan of the threat narrative i think i

3181
02:10:21,270 --> 02:10:18,800
think that it was useful in getting the

3182
02:10:22,950 --> 02:10:21,280
attention of congress um because if you

3183
02:10:25,109 --> 02:10:22,960
go in and it's just hey this is a bunch

3184
02:10:26,950 --> 02:10:25,119
of people seeing stuff and it's the tin

3185
02:10:29,430 --> 02:10:26,960
foil hat crowd yeah they're not gonna

3186
02:10:31,270 --> 02:10:29,440
listen and chris mellon in a private

3187
02:10:33,430 --> 02:10:31,280
interview that will be in my film we we

3188
02:10:34,629 --> 02:10:33,440
discussed this at length and and you

3189
02:10:36,149 --> 02:10:34,639
know it's

3190
02:10:38,310 --> 02:10:36,159
having that threat narrative came in

3191
02:10:40,470 --> 02:10:38,320
handy but there you're right there's no

3192
02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:40,480
evidence that we know of that these

3193
02:10:44,550 --> 02:10:42,880
things pose a threat and um and i think

3194
02:10:46,229 --> 02:10:44,560
that the threat narrative

3195
02:10:47,990 --> 02:10:46,239
there's people that say it never should

3196
02:10:49,669 --> 02:10:48,000
have been a part of it all along and

3197
02:10:51,350 --> 02:10:49,679
there's an argument for that and there's

3198
02:10:53,910 --> 02:10:51,360
an argument that the threat narrative

3199
02:10:55,430 --> 02:10:53,920
served its purpose um so

3200
02:10:57,109 --> 02:10:55,440
it's it's an interesting thing but i

3201
02:10:59,430 --> 02:10:57,119
don't think the threat narrative is a

3202
02:11:01,830 --> 02:10:59,440
healthy narrative to continue to embrace

3203
02:11:03,910 --> 02:11:01,840
i think it might be dangerous to to

3204
02:11:07,430 --> 02:11:03,920
to go down that road

3205
02:11:10,870 --> 02:11:07,440
yeah and uh you know you know how we are

3206
02:11:13,189 --> 02:11:10,880
as humans you know we shoot first

3207
02:11:16,229 --> 02:11:13,199
that's what we do yeah and i don't think

3208
02:11:18,790 --> 02:11:16,239
that's a good approach uh to

3209
02:11:21,750 --> 02:11:18,800
uh to start shooting at things that are

3210
02:11:24,470 --> 02:11:21,760
way beyond uh our knowledge base i think

3211
02:11:25,830 --> 02:11:24,480
that's a that's a wise move now what do

3212
02:11:28,870 --> 02:11:25,840
you see

3213
02:11:30,149 --> 02:11:28,880
uh playing out we're gonna have uh i'm

3214
02:11:34,390 --> 02:11:30,159
telling you right now we're gonna have

3215
02:11:37,270 --> 02:11:34,400
multiple hearings uh this year in 2022.

3216
02:11:39,189 --> 02:11:37,280
who do you want to see next uh

3217
02:11:40,790 --> 02:11:39,199
as witnesses

3218
02:11:43,430 --> 02:11:40,800
well i think that all the front-facing

3219
02:11:45,109 --> 02:11:43,440
guys right now should be should be next

3220
02:11:48,310 --> 02:11:45,119
i think that we should lou should get

3221
02:11:50,390 --> 02:11:48,320
his chance to to sit and

3222
02:11:52,229 --> 02:11:50,400
say what he can say i think that chris

3223
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:52,239
mellon has been very instrumental in

3224
02:11:56,550 --> 02:11:54,079
walking a tightrope should have the

3225
02:11:58,390 --> 02:11:56,560
chance to to say what he knows and then

3226
02:12:00,550 --> 02:11:58,400
i think that we should get

3227
02:12:02,390 --> 02:12:00,560
a lot of these guys that were hidden

3228
02:12:04,629 --> 02:12:02,400
within bigelow and bass i think robert

3229
02:12:06,149 --> 02:12:04,639
bigelow would be an amazing witness i

3230
02:12:08,470 --> 02:12:06,159
think that the people that were within

3231
02:12:11,270 --> 02:12:08,480
his organization a lot of who we know

3232
02:12:12,310 --> 02:12:11,280
i'd like to see how put off eric davis

3233
02:12:13,830 --> 02:12:12,320
um

3234
02:12:16,470 --> 02:12:13,840
these these are the guys the people that

3235
02:12:19,189 --> 02:12:16,480
came out of nids into bass and later

3236
02:12:21,109 --> 02:12:19,199
into atip many of whom we don't know

3237
02:12:22,550 --> 02:12:21,119
these are the guys we need to hear from

3238
02:12:24,790 --> 02:12:22,560
and then i'd like to see some of the

3239
02:12:26,629 --> 02:12:24,800
some of the older folks

3240
02:12:28,470 --> 02:12:26,639
inside the pentagon and some of these

3241
02:12:29,910 --> 02:12:28,480
head guys inside skunk works and

3242
02:12:31,589 --> 02:12:29,920
everything else it's not necessarily in

3243
02:12:33,270 --> 02:12:31,599
public hearings there's no place for

3244
02:12:34,629 --> 02:12:33,280
that but i'd like to see him talking to

3245
02:12:36,950 --> 02:12:34,639
congress about what's really going on

3246
02:12:38,790 --> 02:12:36,960
behind those closed doors as far as back

3247
02:12:42,229 --> 02:12:38,800
engineering and everything else now what

3248
02:12:46,069 --> 02:12:42,239
about um i'm very interested in

3249
02:12:48,390 --> 02:12:46,079
uh other civilian cases like japan

3250
02:12:51,030 --> 02:12:48,400
airlines you know you have callahan from

3251
02:12:54,229 --> 02:12:51,040
the faa you have the original pilot that

3252
02:12:56,950 --> 02:12:54,239
was given a desk job after uh

3253
02:12:59,350 --> 02:12:56,960
after that incident in alaska you have

3254
02:13:02,149 --> 02:12:59,360
john burroughs jim peniston uh colonel

3255
02:13:04,870 --> 02:13:02,159
halt uh in the renal reynoldshim case uh

3256
02:13:06,709 --> 02:13:04,880
that's another military case uh that is

3257
02:13:07,990 --> 02:13:06,719
well documented i think that they should

3258
02:13:11,270 --> 02:13:08,000
come forward

3259
02:13:12,709 --> 02:13:11,280
i think uh robert salas should be

3260
02:13:15,109 --> 02:13:12,719
brought forward to testify about

3261
02:13:17,830 --> 02:13:15,119
malmstrom now that it is a part of the

3262
02:13:21,430 --> 02:13:17,840
public record in a hearing and i think

3263
02:13:24,310 --> 02:13:21,440
uh some others uh like richard dolan

3264
02:13:27,830 --> 02:13:24,320
um i i think should

3265
02:13:30,870 --> 02:13:27,840
uh uh be be brought up um

3266
02:13:33,109 --> 02:13:30,880
and and not only with his knowledge base

3267
02:13:35,669 --> 02:13:33,119
but what disclosure means

3268
02:13:37,510 --> 02:13:35,679
uh to the world and and we've been

3269
02:13:39,830 --> 02:13:37,520
suggesting behind closed doors that

3270
02:13:42,229 --> 02:13:39,840
everybody required reading should be the

3271
02:13:44,310 --> 02:13:42,239
ufos in the national security state

3272
02:13:45,510 --> 02:13:44,320
series because it's one of the best

3273
02:13:47,830 --> 02:13:45,520
historical

3274
02:13:49,669 --> 02:13:47,840
references that really covers a lot of

3275
02:13:51,350 --> 02:13:49,679
stuff and richard is just there's nobody

3276
02:13:52,709 --> 02:13:51,360
else like him but you know you mention

3277
02:13:54,950 --> 02:13:52,719
all these things

3278
02:13:57,189 --> 02:13:54,960
what would really be interesting is the

3279
02:13:58,629 --> 02:13:57,199
people behind that uh you know i just

3280
02:14:00,149 --> 02:13:58,639
interviewed um

3281
02:14:02,390 --> 02:14:00,159
uh

3282
02:14:03,750 --> 02:14:02,400
bob salas about this now there's guys

3283
02:14:05,350 --> 02:14:03,760
it's these are the witnesses the

3284
02:14:07,030 --> 02:14:05,360
forward-facing guys that saw this stuff

3285
02:14:10,069 --> 02:14:07,040
but they're what about the guys that

3286
02:14:12,229 --> 02:14:10,079
came to randall shum and took the the

3287
02:14:14,310 --> 02:14:12,239
data you know what about the who landed

3288
02:14:15,910 --> 02:14:14,320
that helicopter on the princeton those

3289
02:14:17,750 --> 02:14:15,920
are the people i want to know about

3290
02:14:19,910 --> 02:14:17,760
right you know it's like we have all

3291
02:14:22,950 --> 02:14:19,920
these witnesses but what we don't have

3292
02:14:25,589 --> 02:14:22,960
is is what happened to that stuff

3293
02:14:27,109 --> 02:14:25,599
rumor has it that kit green was involved

3294
02:14:28,709 --> 02:14:27,119
in rental shim this is something that i

3295
02:14:30,229 --> 02:14:28,719
was told i don't know if it's true but

3296
02:14:33,589 --> 02:14:30,239
that he was involved in collecting that

3297
02:14:35,669 --> 02:14:33,599
data there way back when and and uh it

3298
02:14:37,510 --> 02:14:35,679
was either that or the uh

3299
02:14:39,589 --> 02:14:37,520
the nuclear plants but we have these

3300
02:14:41,830 --> 02:14:39,599
guys that are not necessarily the

3301
02:14:44,390 --> 02:14:41,840
witnesses that have been luminaries of

3302
02:14:46,470 --> 02:14:44,400
ufology we have the people behind them

3303
02:14:48,390 --> 02:14:46,480
that are the ones that that operated in

3304
02:14:51,030 --> 02:14:48,400
the shadows around them it would be

3305
02:14:53,750 --> 02:14:51,040
really good if we could get charles halt

3306
02:14:55,589 --> 02:14:53,760
to identify okay well who was these guys

3307
02:14:57,990 --> 02:14:55,599
that came um

3308
02:15:00,069 --> 02:14:58,000
to to rendelsham and and took the stuff

3309
02:15:01,830 --> 02:15:00,079
took the data took the medical records

3310
02:15:04,229 --> 02:15:01,840
and and these guys these front-facing

3311
02:15:06,229 --> 02:15:04,239
people they know these some of them

3312
02:15:07,669 --> 02:15:06,239
um and that would be the people that

3313
02:15:09,270 --> 02:15:07,679
really we want to know and that's the

3314
02:15:11,030 --> 02:15:09,280
direction that in these private meetings

3315
02:15:12,950 --> 02:15:11,040
we're kind of pointing congress is like

3316
02:15:16,310 --> 02:15:12,960
let's look at bill richardson bill

3317
02:15:19,510 --> 02:15:16,320
richardson new mexico governor

3318
02:15:22,470 --> 02:15:19,520
good point you know he he was given the

3319
02:15:23,910 --> 02:15:22,480
department of energy well we now know

3320
02:15:26,310 --> 02:15:23,920
that the department of energy is

3321
02:15:28,310 --> 02:15:26,320
actually a place where a whole bunch of

3322
02:15:30,709 --> 02:15:28,320
stuff can be stuck and classified that

3323
02:15:32,069 --> 02:15:30,719
the dod can't get to and the freedom of

3324
02:15:34,229 --> 02:15:32,079
information act requests people don't

3325
02:15:35,990 --> 02:15:34,239
even know how to go to the dod so bill

3326
02:15:39,189 --> 02:15:36,000
richardson comes out and says i think

3327
02:15:41,030 --> 02:15:39,199
people could um could accept the truth

3328
02:15:42,550 --> 02:15:41,040
about what happened to roswell and then

3329
02:15:44,470 --> 02:15:42,560
all of a sudden bill richardson's

3330
02:15:46,790 --> 02:15:44,480
running the department of energy so

3331
02:15:48,950 --> 02:15:46,800
here's a guy that's publicly alluded to

3332
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:48,960
roswell being a real thing and now he's

3333
02:15:52,310 --> 02:15:50,400
in charge of one of the most

3334
02:15:55,589 --> 02:15:52,320
not now but then in charge of one of the

3335
02:15:57,750 --> 02:15:55,599
most secretive clandestine organizations

3336
02:16:00,149 --> 02:15:57,760
that nobody knows is that way and he's

3337
02:16:03,589 --> 02:16:00,159
running it so bill come on in we got

3338
02:16:05,109 --> 02:16:03,599
some questions for you now what about um

3339
02:16:06,310 --> 02:16:05,119
i brought this up last night with sean

3340
02:16:07,270 --> 02:16:06,320
cahill

3341
02:16:09,589 --> 02:16:07,280
and

3342
02:16:11,430 --> 02:16:09,599
uh who was part of the the battlefield

3343
02:16:14,310 --> 02:16:11,440
right okay so

3344
02:16:16,470 --> 02:16:14,320
um he was the sheriff by the way you

3345
02:16:19,350 --> 02:16:16,480
know that was his gig he was he was the

3346
02:16:22,310 --> 02:16:19,360
law enforcement chief officer

3347
02:16:23,750 --> 02:16:22,320
of the battle group okay so here we go

3348
02:16:24,709 --> 02:16:23,760
uh

3349
02:16:26,550 --> 02:16:24,719
with

3350
02:16:29,030 --> 02:16:26,560
the not only

3351
02:16:31,189 --> 02:16:29,040
with the focus now with the uap task

3352
02:16:34,870 --> 02:16:31,199
force and we have this date you know

3353
02:16:37,030 --> 02:16:34,880
2004 and forward uh the the the task

3354
02:16:39,270 --> 02:16:37,040
force report last year completely

3355
02:16:42,070 --> 02:16:39,280
pointed that out so we know that we have

3356
02:16:44,070 --> 02:16:42,080
the specific date and incident uh with

3357
02:16:45,910 --> 02:16:44,080
the tic tac in the nimitz

3358
02:16:47,910 --> 02:16:45,920
and the princeton and the rest of the

3359
02:16:51,509 --> 02:16:47,920
battleground sure well

3360
02:16:55,429 --> 02:16:51,519
then if that is the case

3361
02:16:57,830 --> 02:16:55,439
then why are we not hearing from

3362
02:17:01,509 --> 02:16:57,840
uh rear admiral curtis

3363
02:17:04,629 --> 02:17:01,519
and rear admiral daley that were both

3364
02:17:06,870 --> 02:17:04,639
the commanders of that battle group what

3365
02:17:09,110 --> 02:17:06,880
they knew

3366
02:17:10,709 --> 02:17:09,120
what happened with the reports who did

3367
02:17:13,190 --> 02:17:10,719
the debriefing

3368
02:17:16,150 --> 02:17:13,200
what was the follow-up and where did the

3369
02:17:17,990 --> 02:17:16,160
information go with the helicopter that

3370
02:17:20,950 --> 02:17:18,000
landed on the princeton that's another

3371
02:17:23,509 --> 02:17:20,960
example of this took the deck logs

3372
02:17:26,830 --> 02:17:23,519
not only the deck logs but uh all of the

3373
02:17:30,230 --> 02:17:26,840
computer data as well so

3374
02:17:32,549 --> 02:17:30,240
now shouldn't uh in the next hearing

3375
02:17:34,309 --> 02:17:32,559
shouldn't we have curtis and daly

3376
02:17:37,750 --> 02:17:34,319
sitting there and answer if they want to

3377
02:17:39,990 --> 02:17:37,760
focus on the nimitz in 2004 well then

3378
02:17:40,790 --> 02:17:40,000
let's talk to the two rear admirals that

3379
02:17:43,669 --> 02:17:40,800
were

3380
02:17:45,509 --> 02:17:43,679
uh in charge of the battle group

3381
02:17:48,790 --> 02:17:45,519
so you know that's a very good question

3382
02:17:50,870 --> 02:17:48,800
and as an investigative group which you

3383
02:17:52,709 --> 02:17:50,880
know the intelligence committees should

3384
02:17:54,629 --> 02:17:52,719
be you would think that that would be

3385
02:17:57,190 --> 02:17:54,639
the logical conclusion so the question

3386
02:17:58,309 --> 02:17:57,200
is well why isn't it and you and me

3387
02:17:59,750 --> 02:17:58,319
jimmy we're never going to get these

3388
02:18:01,509 --> 02:17:59,760
guys on our shows or in front of our

3389
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:01,519
cameras they're never going to talk to

3390
02:18:07,509 --> 02:18:04,160
us would they talk to those groups only

3391
02:18:09,270 --> 02:18:07,519
if they were asked how many people know

3392
02:18:10,469 --> 02:18:09,280
in the world as far as how this is being

3393
02:18:13,190 --> 02:18:10,479
laid out you know we've got our

3394
02:18:15,190 --> 02:18:13,200
listeners our 40 000 core worldwide ufo

3395
02:18:17,190 --> 02:18:15,200
community that pays attention to this

3396
02:18:19,190 --> 02:18:17,200
stuff but nobody knows to ask these

3397
02:18:21,190 --> 02:18:19,200
people nobody knows to demand that these

3398
02:18:25,110 --> 02:18:21,200
people get asked and the people who do

3399
02:18:27,110 --> 02:18:25,120
know have have hardly any voice so

3400
02:18:28,629 --> 02:18:27,120
who is going to tell these guys that's

3401
02:18:31,190 --> 02:18:28,639
where you look that's where you're going

3402
02:18:33,270 --> 02:18:31,200
to find the answers and how much are

3403
02:18:35,830 --> 02:18:33,280
they going to say oh really okay i'm

3404
02:18:37,509 --> 02:18:35,840
going to do that and so we're we're in a

3405
02:18:39,270 --> 02:18:37,519
situation where it's going to be very

3406
02:18:40,790 --> 02:18:39,280
difficult to get that done

3407
02:18:42,389 --> 02:18:40,800
and we're trying believe me because

3408
02:18:43,429 --> 02:18:42,399
these are the these are exactly the

3409
02:18:44,950 --> 02:18:43,439
questions

3410
02:18:46,150 --> 02:18:44,960
that they need to be asking because

3411
02:18:48,070 --> 02:18:46,160
that's where they're going to find the

3412
02:18:49,830 --> 02:18:48,080
answers but they need to know

3413
02:18:51,509 --> 02:18:49,840
it's like somebody said that i

3414
02:18:53,349 --> 02:18:51,519
interviewed for the film we're not at

3415
02:18:55,429 --> 02:18:53,359
the stage of asking the right questions

3416
02:18:57,349 --> 02:18:55,439
yet and what we're really trying to do

3417
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:57,359
to help nurture this political process

3418
02:19:02,230 --> 02:18:59,920
along is get these guys to the stage of

3419
02:19:04,389 --> 02:19:02,240
asking the right questions of the right

3420
02:19:06,549 --> 02:19:04,399
people and everything you brought up is

3421
02:19:09,750 --> 02:19:06,559
is fits right in with that now what

3422
02:19:12,549 --> 02:19:09,760
about um what about chad underwood you

3423
02:19:15,349 --> 02:19:12,559
know david fravor alex dietrich

3424
02:19:17,110 --> 02:19:15,359
um bringing uh those three pilots

3425
02:19:18,830 --> 02:19:17,120
forward that have already gone on the

3426
02:19:21,990 --> 02:19:18,840
record in public

3427
02:19:23,429 --> 02:19:22,000
um and multiple times in the media and

3428
02:19:25,910 --> 02:19:23,439
of course uh

3429
02:19:28,870 --> 02:19:25,920
uh uh 60 minutes

3430
02:19:31,190 --> 02:19:28,880
uh to sit down and and answer some

3431
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:31,200
serious questions shouldn't they be

3432
02:19:35,589 --> 02:19:33,120
in the next hearing too as well in

3433
02:19:37,509 --> 02:19:35,599
addition to the two rear admirals

3434
02:19:39,589 --> 02:19:37,519
i'm sure that those guys are going to be

3435
02:19:41,990 --> 02:19:39,599
in hearings at some point but i think

3436
02:19:43,990 --> 02:19:42,000
that they've already told us a lot

3437
02:19:46,070 --> 02:19:44,000
of of what they know i i think that

3438
02:19:47,669 --> 02:19:46,080
maybe fravor's knowledge of what he's

3439
02:19:49,670 --> 02:19:47,679
willing to say and what he's able to say

3440
02:19:51,670 --> 02:19:49,680
we might have heard a lot of it already

3441
02:19:54,150 --> 02:19:51,680
um because those guys

3442
02:19:56,710 --> 02:19:54,160
it's another thing in a public hearing a

3443
02:19:58,550 --> 02:19:56,720
little hill uh under oath well i have no

3444
02:19:59,670 --> 02:19:58,560
doubt that those guys will be included i

3445
02:20:01,110 --> 02:19:59,680
think that we're going to see a steady

3446
02:20:03,030 --> 02:20:01,120
string of front-facing military

3447
02:20:04,309 --> 02:20:03,040
witnesses obviously we're going to see

3448
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:04,319
the framers we're going to see these

3449
02:20:09,110 --> 02:20:06,720
guys coming out and hopefully lou can

3450
02:20:11,349 --> 02:20:09,120
get in there and be allowed to say some

3451
02:20:12,870 --> 02:20:11,359
things i know danny sheehan is fighting

3452
02:20:16,389 --> 02:20:12,880
uh with the uh

3453
02:20:19,110 --> 02:20:16,399
with lou inside the dia trying to set a

3454
02:20:20,469 --> 02:20:19,120
precedent for things to be said and this

3455
02:20:21,910 --> 02:20:20,479
is a very interesting thing that's going

3456
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:21,920
on behind the scenes that not a lot of

3457
02:20:25,910 --> 02:20:24,479
people know about you probably do um but

3458
02:20:27,110 --> 02:20:25,920
the uh

3459
02:20:28,790 --> 02:20:27,120
yeah we're gonna see these guys it's

3460
02:20:31,190 --> 02:20:28,800
probably gonna be the next round of

3461
02:20:33,750 --> 02:20:31,200
people is the the front-facing folks

3462
02:20:35,670 --> 02:20:33,760
from from the a-tip program that have

3463
02:20:37,750 --> 02:20:35,680
already made the rounds but are we going

3464
02:20:39,590 --> 02:20:37,760
to get the admirals back there the guys

3465
02:20:42,070 --> 02:20:39,600
that were behind the scenes are we going

3466
02:20:44,389 --> 02:20:42,080
to ever even find out who ordered that

3467
02:20:46,469 --> 02:20:44,399
helicopter to land and take that data

3468
02:20:47,830 --> 02:20:46,479
and and where it went and

3469
02:20:49,750 --> 02:20:47,840
you know that's that's the real

3470
02:20:51,270 --> 02:20:49,760
challenge we've already us and the

3471
02:20:53,190 --> 02:20:51,280
public and everybody else we already

3472
02:20:55,030 --> 02:20:53,200
know and it's all public knowledge we

3473
02:20:57,110 --> 02:20:55,040
might see it in hearings but that's not

3474
02:20:59,349 --> 02:20:57,120
going to be anything new to to sit down

3475
02:21:02,070 --> 02:20:59,359
with the high command of the fleet at

3476
02:21:03,830 --> 02:21:02,080
the time and get to the bottom of what

3477
02:21:06,790 --> 02:21:03,840
was going on from an operational

3478
02:21:08,950 --> 02:21:06,800
standpoint and why

3479
02:21:11,190 --> 02:21:08,960
how could this be so coordinated that

3480
02:21:13,750 --> 02:21:11,200
you guys could land on this thing with a

3481
02:21:16,309 --> 02:21:13,760
clandestine helicopter know exactly what

3482
02:21:17,670 --> 02:21:16,319
it is you're trying to get and take it

3483
02:21:19,670 --> 02:21:17,680
and

3484
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:19,680
where was this authorized you know we we

3485
02:21:24,469 --> 02:21:22,319
have all these facts and we have an idea

3486
02:21:26,389 --> 02:21:24,479
who would be able to enlighten us but

3487
02:21:29,349 --> 02:21:26,399
getting that to actually happen

3488
02:21:31,349 --> 02:21:29,359
in this in in this in any environment

3489
02:21:32,389 --> 02:21:31,359
is like pulling teeth because in in a

3490
02:21:34,309 --> 02:21:32,399
big way

3491
02:21:35,750 --> 02:21:34,319
the hearings are a dog and pony show for

3492
02:21:37,349 --> 02:21:35,760
the public now i'm not saying that

3493
02:21:39,510 --> 02:21:37,359
they're not valid and i'm not saying

3494
02:21:41,429 --> 02:21:39,520
that they're not helpful but

3495
02:21:43,510 --> 02:21:41,439
the people that understand the real

3496
02:21:45,830 --> 02:21:43,520
questions and what to ask

3497
02:21:48,790 --> 02:21:45,840
we're not getting anywhere with this

3498
02:21:50,070 --> 02:21:48,800
i i don't i don't get the dog and pony

3499
02:21:53,429 --> 02:21:50,080
show vibe

3500
02:21:55,270 --> 02:21:53,439
not yet i i don't get it yet i i think

3501
02:21:57,910 --> 02:21:55,280
that that was an extraordinary step

3502
02:21:58,790 --> 02:21:57,920
forward uh last tuesday i think it was

3503
02:22:02,150 --> 02:21:58,800
huge

3504
02:22:04,389 --> 02:22:02,160
and and and it's worth repeating before

3505
02:22:08,950 --> 02:22:04,399
i get to my next question

3506
02:22:10,230 --> 02:22:08,960
um for the first time not 54 years ago

3507
02:22:13,270 --> 02:22:10,240
ever

3508
02:22:15,510 --> 02:22:13,280
has roswell malmstrom

3509
02:22:18,230 --> 02:22:15,520
wilson davis e.t

3510
02:22:20,870 --> 02:22:18,240
contacts flying saucers have been talked

3511
02:22:23,270 --> 02:22:20,880
about in a public hearing

3512
02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:23,280
in a public session in a public hearing

3513
02:22:27,349 --> 02:22:25,680
on capitol hill it's never happened well

3514
02:22:29,670 --> 02:22:27,359
that that's not exactly true i mean you

3515
02:22:31,670 --> 02:22:29,680
mentioned the these specific incidents

3516
02:22:33,750 --> 02:22:31,680
we had the robertson panel we had gerald

3517
02:22:36,150 --> 02:22:33,760
ford requested hearings but that was

3518
02:22:37,990 --> 02:22:36,160
talking pony that was dog and pony

3519
02:22:39,510 --> 02:22:38,000
there's no question about that i'm

3520
02:22:41,030 --> 02:22:39,520
telling you they talked about roswell

3521
02:22:42,870 --> 02:22:41,040
they talked about the uh

3522
02:22:44,870 --> 02:22:42,880
they didn't talk about roswell roswell

3523
02:22:46,950 --> 02:22:44,880
wasn't part of the public record in the

3524
02:22:49,190 --> 02:22:46,960
robertson panel

3525
02:22:50,630 --> 02:22:49,200
they talked about the the implications

3526
02:22:53,030 --> 02:22:50,640
of the societal release of the

3527
02:22:55,750 --> 02:22:53,040
information nobody knew about roswell

3528
02:22:58,950 --> 02:22:55,760
roswell wasn't part of a blue book

3529
02:23:01,429 --> 02:22:58,960
nobody knew about roswell until 1980

3530
02:23:02,870 --> 02:23:01,439
so broke it yes but they talked they

3531
02:23:04,070 --> 02:23:02,880
talked about the stuff that was in blue

3532
02:23:06,150 --> 02:23:04,080
book and they talked about all these

3533
02:23:07,349 --> 02:23:06,160
things we we have had these hearings and

3534
02:23:09,590 --> 02:23:07,359
if you go back and you look at what

3535
02:23:12,389 --> 02:23:09,600
general samford said and i think it was

3536
02:23:14,550 --> 02:23:12,399
19 back in the 1950s i i have a clip

3537
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:14,560
that we made actually to show congress

3538
02:23:19,270 --> 02:23:17,040
he he says we have these observances of

3539
02:23:20,469 --> 02:23:19,280
these objects doing incredible things

3540
02:23:23,030 --> 02:23:20,479
that we're not capable of and they're

3541
02:23:25,110 --> 02:23:23,040
not from our inventory then we have

3542
02:23:27,030 --> 02:23:25,120
verbatim almost like nobody even had to

3543
02:23:29,349 --> 02:23:27,040
rewrite the script these guys are saying

3544
02:23:31,910 --> 02:23:29,359
that now then we have

3545
02:23:33,990 --> 02:23:31,920
samford saying that

3546
02:23:36,469 --> 02:23:34,000
we as the air force newly constituted

3547
02:23:38,230 --> 02:23:36,479
after the roswell years believe that we

3548
02:23:40,070 --> 02:23:38,240
have an obligation to the public to find

3549
02:23:41,590 --> 02:23:40,080
out what these things are and to get to

3550
02:23:43,910 --> 02:23:41,600
the bottom of what they are and whether

3551
02:23:45,830 --> 02:23:43,920
or not they pose a threat and then we go

3552
02:23:48,710 --> 02:23:45,840
to

3553
02:23:50,469 --> 02:23:48,720
moultrie's opening statements where he

3554
02:23:52,309 --> 02:23:50,479
says basically the same thing we feel

3555
02:23:54,150 --> 02:23:52,319
like we have an obligation to the public

3556
02:23:56,230 --> 02:23:54,160
to find out what these things are and if

3557
02:23:57,750 --> 02:23:56,240
they pose a threat and it's like if you

3558
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:57,760
wrote a hollywood script and you sent it

3559
02:24:01,110 --> 02:23:59,520
to be rewritten the guy doing the

3560
02:24:03,510 --> 02:24:01,120
rewriting didn't even have to do much

3561
02:24:05,910 --> 02:24:03,520
work so we're being told the same exact

3562
02:24:07,830 --> 02:24:05,920
story almost verbatim about the same

3563
02:24:10,630 --> 02:24:07,840
kind of craft doing the same kind of

3564
02:24:12,790 --> 02:24:10,640
thing that goes back 70 years now so

3565
02:24:14,309 --> 02:24:12,800
when i say dog and pony show i'm not

3566
02:24:17,270 --> 02:24:14,319
trying to criticize for the general

3567
02:24:19,429 --> 02:24:17,280
public what's going on here but for the

3568
02:24:21,030 --> 02:24:19,439
people that really know what's going on

3569
02:24:23,030 --> 02:24:21,040
and can and can read between the lines

3570
02:24:24,550 --> 02:24:23,040
and understand and there's not that many

3571
02:24:27,190 --> 02:24:24,560
of them on the planet because most

3572
02:24:29,349 --> 02:24:27,200
people do not care about this topic the

3573
02:24:31,349 --> 02:24:29,359
the way the hardcore folks do but for

3574
02:24:34,469 --> 02:24:31,359
all of us who who are watching this

3575
02:24:36,950 --> 02:24:34,479
unfold it is absolutely

3576
02:24:38,630 --> 02:24:36,960
designed for public release and and and

3577
02:24:41,510 --> 02:24:38,640
so when we call it a dog and pony show

3578
02:24:44,070 --> 02:24:41,520
maybe i'm being overly critical but it

3579
02:24:45,590 --> 02:24:44,080
it is not something that's satisfying

3580
02:24:47,349 --> 02:24:45,600
those who really know and understand the

3581
02:24:50,550 --> 02:24:47,359
truth and understand how important it is

3582
02:24:52,710 --> 02:24:50,560
that we get it yeah well okay so and

3583
02:24:55,349 --> 02:24:52,720
you're you're 100 correct

3584
02:24:57,830 --> 02:24:55,359
i i absolutely enjoyed that statement

3585
02:24:59,190 --> 02:24:57,840
but here's the deal

3586
02:25:00,790 --> 02:24:59,200
mufon

3587
02:25:02,950 --> 02:25:00,800
is sitting on

3588
02:25:04,790 --> 02:25:02,960
a collection of evidence that is

3589
02:25:07,110 --> 02:25:04,800
probably as big as any other

3590
02:25:09,429 --> 02:25:07,120
organization on this planet

3591
02:25:12,710 --> 02:25:09,439
with investigation sightings evidence

3592
02:25:14,550 --> 02:25:12,720
videos uh eyewitness testimony uh

3593
02:25:17,510 --> 02:25:14,560
photographs images

3594
02:25:19,830 --> 02:25:17,520
um and and the scientific data that that

3595
02:25:21,750 --> 02:25:19,840
possibly backs up some of these uh cases

3596
02:25:24,870 --> 02:25:21,760
and investigation

3597
02:25:27,270 --> 02:25:24,880
would mufon be willing to

3598
02:25:29,910 --> 02:25:27,280
remember i was i was i was a talking

3599
02:25:32,389 --> 02:25:29,920
head on on hanger one right

3600
02:25:33,670 --> 02:25:32,399
tv show and i know that there's a lot of

3601
02:25:35,030 --> 02:25:33,680
files there

3602
02:25:37,910 --> 02:25:35,040
um

3603
02:25:41,110 --> 02:25:37,920
would mufon be willing to go through and

3604
02:25:42,950 --> 02:25:41,120
and pick some stuff out and present that

3605
02:25:44,870 --> 02:25:42,960
to the house of representatives or the

3606
02:25:47,030 --> 02:25:44,880
senate intelligence committee if so

3607
02:25:50,469 --> 02:25:47,040
asked

3608
02:25:54,150 --> 02:25:50,479
tough question

3609
02:25:56,550 --> 02:25:54,160
i can tell you that that process is is

3610
02:26:00,469 --> 02:25:56,560
yeah yeah mufon would be willing to and

3611
02:26:05,349 --> 02:26:02,550
what case is ron

3612
02:26:07,990 --> 02:26:05,359
i look yeah i can't talk about that

3613
02:26:10,389 --> 02:26:08,000
but but all i can say about this is that

3614
02:26:11,990 --> 02:26:10,399
there is an open dialogue mufon has a

3615
02:26:13,510 --> 02:26:12,000
seat at the table

3616
02:26:15,750 --> 02:26:13,520
and we don't want to disrupt that

3617
02:26:17,190 --> 02:26:15,760
relationship but we also are not going

3618
02:26:19,429 --> 02:26:17,200
to be all cloak and dagger about it

3619
02:26:21,830 --> 02:26:19,439
either but we have to be careful but yes

3620
02:26:23,510 --> 02:26:21,840
we have been invited to into the room

3621
02:26:25,190 --> 02:26:23,520
and yes we are sharing our information

3622
02:26:26,389 --> 02:26:25,200
and we're using you know it's like i

3623
02:26:28,950 --> 02:26:26,399
said before

3624
02:26:31,750 --> 02:26:28,960
these guys need to be told where to look

3625
02:26:34,070 --> 02:26:31,760
and what to ask and it's not that mufon

3626
02:26:36,550 --> 02:26:34,080
knows this where everybody else doesn't

3627
02:26:38,230 --> 02:26:36,560
it you know i mean richard dolan is is a

3628
02:26:39,590 --> 02:26:38,240
classic example of a guy who could sit

3629
02:26:41,590 --> 02:26:39,600
in that room and tell these guys where

3630
02:26:44,389 --> 02:26:41,600
to look and who to ask and i hope he

3631
02:26:46,150 --> 02:26:44,399
gets a seat at the table too um but you

3632
02:26:47,270 --> 02:26:46,160
know we're we've got a seat at the table

3633
02:26:48,389 --> 02:26:47,280
and we're telling him where to look and

3634
02:26:51,190 --> 02:26:48,399
who to ask

3635
02:26:54,150 --> 02:26:51,200
and and it's nothing clandestine or

3636
02:26:55,590 --> 02:26:54,160
secret or anything else but um

3637
02:26:56,870 --> 02:26:55,600
yeah we're serving we're serving our

3638
02:26:59,670 --> 02:26:56,880
community doing what we're supposed to

3639
02:27:03,030 --> 02:26:59,680
do and we're not going to like hand over

3640
02:27:05,590 --> 02:27:03,040
the database to to to be scrutinized by

3641
02:27:07,990 --> 02:27:05,600
people that that don't control it but we

3642
02:27:10,230 --> 02:27:08,000
are offering as much access to our

3643
02:27:12,230 --> 02:27:10,240
information to anybody within these

3644
02:27:14,630 --> 02:27:12,240
circles that wants it and we've got some

3645
02:27:16,550 --> 02:27:14,640
takers i think i can say that without

3646
02:27:17,910 --> 02:27:16,560
getting myself into much trouble how do

3647
02:27:25,429 --> 02:27:17,920
you

3648
02:27:28,469 --> 02:27:25,439
the anonymous part of

3649
02:27:30,630 --> 02:27:28,479
the move on reporting and witnesses

3650
02:27:33,190 --> 02:27:30,640
if you were so you know if you were

3651
02:27:35,030 --> 02:27:33,200
asked to to present some evidence

3652
02:27:36,550 --> 02:27:35,040
how do you deal with that with members

3653
02:27:37,830 --> 02:27:36,560
of the public that wanted to remain

3654
02:27:40,150 --> 02:27:37,840
anonymous

3655
02:27:41,590 --> 02:27:40,160
yeah we you know mufon's been paying a

3656
02:27:43,910 --> 02:27:41,600
lot of attention to that lately because

3657
02:27:45,990 --> 02:27:43,920
it's internally it's a big deal

3658
02:27:48,309 --> 02:27:46,000
protecting the privacy of people that

3659
02:27:50,070 --> 02:27:48,319
have given us information is paramount

3660
02:27:52,230 --> 02:27:50,080
especially people in the experiencer

3661
02:27:53,990 --> 02:27:52,240
field you know we can't we can't divulge

3662
02:27:57,429 --> 02:27:54,000
that kind of stuff but as far as general

3663
02:28:00,070 --> 02:27:57,439
data photographs witness testimony we

3664
02:28:03,110 --> 02:28:00,080
can convey the the nuts and bolts

3665
02:28:05,510 --> 02:28:03,120
important information from any um case

3666
02:28:07,190 --> 02:28:05,520
from our database without compromising

3667
02:28:09,590 --> 02:28:07,200
the privacy of the people that provided

3668
02:28:11,190 --> 02:28:09,600
it to us and and and that is something

3669
02:28:13,270 --> 02:28:11,200
i'm glad you brought it up because i'd

3670
02:28:15,510 --> 02:28:13,280
like to reassure everybody protecting

3671
02:28:17,030 --> 02:28:15,520
the privacy of of all of the people that

3672
02:28:19,030 --> 02:28:17,040
that come to mufon

3673
02:28:21,270 --> 02:28:19,040
is something that we agree to do and

3674
02:28:23,830 --> 02:28:21,280
that is very important to us and one of

3675
02:28:26,070 --> 02:28:23,840
the things that that we've added to our

3676
02:28:28,630 --> 02:28:26,080
whole case processing process is is

3677
02:28:30,790 --> 02:28:28,640
options for people to decide uh is it

3678
02:28:32,710 --> 02:28:30,800
okay if we share this video because

3679
02:28:34,630 --> 02:28:32,720
technically you're the copyright holder

3680
02:28:36,710 --> 02:28:34,640
can we share it with people can we not

3681
02:28:38,630 --> 02:28:36,720
we can always share it privately but

3682
02:28:40,469 --> 02:28:38,640
sometimes people give us the rights to

3683
02:28:43,429 --> 02:28:40,479
you know let it go on ancient aliens or

3684
02:28:45,030 --> 02:28:43,439
something um but we we never will hand

3685
02:28:46,230 --> 02:28:45,040
over a name address and phone number of

3686
02:28:47,990 --> 02:28:46,240
a witness

3687
02:28:49,910 --> 02:28:48,000
let's uh let's take our break ron we're

3688
02:28:52,870 --> 02:28:49,920
gonna go into overtime you stay right

3689
02:28:55,750 --> 02:28:52,880
there this is fade to black it is night

3690
02:28:57,910 --> 02:28:55,760
three of our ufo hearing week here on

3691
02:29:00,309 --> 02:28:57,920
fade to black great conversation tonight

3692
02:29:02,550 --> 02:29:00,319
and let me tell you something ron james

3693
02:29:05,590 --> 02:29:02,560
and i this conversation right now is

3694
02:29:08,710 --> 02:29:05,600
nothing oh ron and i

3695
02:29:10,469 --> 02:29:08,720
we've done this over the years

3696
02:29:12,389 --> 02:29:10,479
he is the absolute best rodney stay

3697
02:29:13,620 --> 02:29:12,399
right there i am your host jimmy church

3698
02:29:15,349 --> 02:29:13,630
this is fade to black

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be right back after this short break

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02:33:23,670 --> 02:33:20,950
all right welcome back fade to black i

3775
02:33:26,309 --> 02:33:23,680
am your host jimmy church and uh i was

3776
02:33:28,309 --> 02:33:26,319
walking around the studio and i look

3777
02:33:31,349 --> 02:33:28,319
i literally

3778
02:33:32,309 --> 02:33:31,359
have an adidas track suit on

3779
02:33:35,990 --> 02:33:32,319
i got

3780
02:33:38,790 --> 02:33:36,000
adidas pants adidas shirt look look look

3781
02:33:41,830 --> 02:33:38,800
and and adidas flip-flops

3782
02:33:44,230 --> 02:33:41,840
and i'm like man who my representative i

3783
02:33:46,469 --> 02:33:44,240
went to the store today

3784
02:33:50,790 --> 02:33:46,479
dressed like this

3785
02:33:52,389 --> 02:33:50,800
and i'm a grown ass man i'm 58 years old

3786
02:33:54,550 --> 02:33:52,399
walking around

3787
02:33:57,030 --> 02:33:54,560
the supermarket

3788
02:33:58,389 --> 02:33:57,040
dressed like i'm 16 years old

3789
02:33:59,990 --> 02:33:58,399
and uh

3790
02:34:03,030 --> 02:34:00,000
there you go hey ron uh we're in

3791
02:34:05,349 --> 02:34:03,040
overtime uh great conversation tonight

3792
02:34:08,070 --> 02:34:05,359
um i like to open things up a little bit

3793
02:34:09,670 --> 02:34:08,080
and have a little fun and loosen up i

3794
02:34:11,349 --> 02:34:09,680
know i'm like come on jimmy this is a

3795
02:34:12,550 --> 02:34:11,359
show yeah he's gonna put on a suit and

3796
02:34:14,389 --> 02:34:12,560
tie

3797
02:34:15,190 --> 02:34:14,399
right

3798
02:34:18,230 --> 02:34:15,200
and

3799
02:34:19,910 --> 02:34:18,240
i wanted to say this though um uh this

3800
02:34:20,790 --> 02:34:19,920
is for the audience

3801
02:34:22,150 --> 02:34:20,800
um

3802
02:34:24,469 --> 02:34:22,160
ron and i

3803
02:34:26,950 --> 02:34:24,479
uh we chatted

3804
02:34:28,710 --> 02:34:26,960
i'm gonna say this is about a month ago

3805
02:34:31,990 --> 02:34:28,720
ron i'm not too sure

3806
02:34:35,510 --> 02:34:32,000
but we got into a little bit of a guitar

3807
02:34:37,030 --> 02:34:35,520
conversation we did and friggin ron

3808
02:34:38,950 --> 02:34:37,040
text me this picture i'm not going to

3809
02:34:42,230 --> 02:34:38,960
say specifically ron i'm not going to

3810
02:34:44,870 --> 02:34:42,240
get into that but he sends me a picture

3811
02:34:48,710 --> 02:34:44,880
of a guitar that i have lusted over for

3812
02:34:50,469 --> 02:34:48,720
for a long time and and he goes

3813
02:34:53,349 --> 02:34:50,479
do you know what this is

3814
02:34:55,510 --> 02:34:53,359
and i was like what and i texted him

3815
02:34:57,910 --> 02:34:55,520
back and i said is that uh and he says

3816
02:34:58,870 --> 02:34:57,920
yep and i said well and he's like yeah

3817
02:35:01,830 --> 02:34:58,880
yep

3818
02:35:03,750 --> 02:35:01,840
uh ron i didn't know you had it in you

3819
02:35:04,710 --> 02:35:03,760
you and i have talked guitars for 10

3820
02:35:06,950 --> 02:35:04,720
years i

3821
02:35:09,750 --> 02:35:06,960
i don't want to say that we haven't

3822
02:35:12,389 --> 02:35:09,760
but that specific guitar

3823
02:35:15,110 --> 02:35:12,399
that's uh you know you're not in one of

3824
02:35:17,510 --> 02:35:15,120
a kind realm but you're pretty close

3825
02:35:19,349 --> 02:35:17,520
uh you take this pretty serious man and

3826
02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:19,359
and that really impressed me

3827
02:35:22,710 --> 02:35:20,800
well you know it's funny jimmy when i

3828
02:35:24,469 --> 02:35:22,720
was a kid i was convinced i was going to

3829
02:35:25,270 --> 02:35:24,479
grow up and be a rock star and then i

3830
02:35:27,349 --> 02:35:25,280
had

3831
02:35:30,150 --> 02:35:27,359
a lot of things sidetracked me but when

3832
02:35:32,230 --> 02:35:30,160
covet hit i picked the guitar back up

3833
02:35:34,230 --> 02:35:32,240
started taking guitar and voice lessons

3834
02:35:36,150 --> 02:35:34,240
and now just the the other night i went

3835
02:35:38,309 --> 02:35:36,160
out and performed for the first time and

3836
02:35:40,790 --> 02:35:38,319
so i'm just like wow this is pretty cool

3837
02:35:42,550 --> 02:35:40,800
but um yeah i've always been a a poet

3838
02:35:44,309 --> 02:35:42,560
and a little songwriter and a writer and

3839
02:35:46,230 --> 02:35:44,319
you know all those artistic things

3840
02:35:47,429 --> 02:35:46,240
people people just see me doing my shows

3841
02:35:49,349 --> 02:35:47,439
and stuff and they think i'm a talking

3842
02:35:51,510 --> 02:35:49,359
head but at the end of the day i'm i'm

3843
02:35:53,270 --> 02:35:51,520
an artist at heart and and so are you

3844
02:35:55,190 --> 02:35:53,280
and and you know like remember when i

3845
02:35:57,349 --> 02:35:55,200
with that we did the interview in

3846
02:35:58,790 --> 02:35:57,359
laughlin i actually brought a guitar i

3847
02:36:00,950 --> 02:35:58,800
was trying to get you to play it but you

3848
02:36:02,150 --> 02:36:00,960
did pick it up and and strum it around a

3849
02:36:03,910 --> 02:36:02,160
bit

3850
02:36:05,270 --> 02:36:03,920
yeah i remember that i remember ron's

3851
02:36:07,429 --> 02:36:05,280
been trying to get me to do this for a

3852
02:36:09,270 --> 02:36:07,439
long time yeah i have i've got a song i

3853
02:36:11,270 --> 02:36:09,280
want you to be in a music video with for

3854
02:36:13,590 --> 02:36:11,280
me all right all right all right well uh

3855
02:36:17,429 --> 02:36:13,600
we'll uh we'll do the big reveal and uh

3856
02:36:19,590 --> 02:36:17,439
and get that done um now uh speaking of

3857
02:36:20,870 --> 02:36:19,600
uh of all of this i have a way of

3858
02:36:22,710 --> 02:36:20,880
segwaying

3859
02:36:24,870 --> 02:36:22,720
all of this conversation and i want to

3860
02:36:28,630 --> 02:36:24,880
swing this back around to video

3861
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:28,640
um uh with the with the with the ufo

3862
02:36:32,150 --> 02:36:30,880
hearing now you

3863
02:36:33,910 --> 02:36:32,160
um are

3864
02:36:35,750 --> 02:36:33,920
this is what you do

3865
02:36:37,590 --> 02:36:35,760
you've got a studio you've got cameras

3866
02:36:38,870 --> 02:36:37,600
you've been interviewing and editing and

3867
02:36:40,070 --> 02:36:38,880
films and

3868
02:36:43,750 --> 02:36:40,080
video

3869
02:36:44,790 --> 02:36:43,760
and film is what you do this is what you

3870
02:36:48,230 --> 02:36:44,800
do

3871
02:36:51,590 --> 02:36:48,240
and when they whipped out that uh

3872
02:36:54,150 --> 02:36:51,600
iphone video at the hearing

3873
02:36:56,550 --> 02:36:54,160
you are the one guy that's gonna uh

3874
02:36:58,550 --> 02:36:56,560
having a very strong opinion

3875
02:37:00,790 --> 02:36:58,560
uh what what went through your mind was

3876
02:37:02,630 --> 02:37:00,800
that the right video at the right time

3877
02:37:04,230 --> 02:37:02,640
well i mean it depends what the agenda

3878
02:37:06,389 --> 02:37:04,240
is it's like if somebody said hey let's

3879
02:37:08,630 --> 02:37:06,399
get the worst most ambiguous video that

3880
02:37:10,950 --> 02:37:08,640
makes the tic tac things look like

3881
02:37:12,790 --> 02:37:10,960
uh revelations of works of art they

3882
02:37:14,150 --> 02:37:12,800
succeeded um

3883
02:37:15,590 --> 02:37:14,160
i didn't even know pilots could take

3884
02:37:17,830 --> 02:37:15,600
their phones on their planes i mean

3885
02:37:19,270 --> 02:37:17,840
isn't that kind of like a security risk

3886
02:37:20,790 --> 02:37:19,280
but at any rate yeah that wasn't

3887
02:37:22,790 --> 02:37:20,800
impressive we know for a fact that

3888
02:37:24,550 --> 02:37:22,800
they've got dozens of videos some of

3889
02:37:26,389 --> 02:37:24,560
them 20 minutes long

3890
02:37:28,550 --> 02:37:26,399
you and i have had conversations with

3891
02:37:31,110 --> 02:37:28,560
people that have seen these these videos

3892
02:37:33,750 --> 02:37:31,120
they could have done a little better

3893
02:37:35,590 --> 02:37:33,760
the um uh

3894
02:37:38,389 --> 02:37:35,600
when you

3895
02:37:40,230 --> 02:37:38,399
we've all seen you know like la la right

3896
02:37:42,469 --> 02:37:40,240
we've all seen courtroom presentations

3897
02:37:44,630 --> 02:37:42,479
we've seen the watergate hearings we've

3898
02:37:47,190 --> 02:37:44,640
seen howard hughes you know get up in

3899
02:37:49,750 --> 02:37:47,200
front of the senate we've seen what goes

3900
02:37:51,110 --> 02:37:49,760
on in chamber we know this right and and

3901
02:37:54,230 --> 02:37:51,120
what happens

3902
02:37:56,389 --> 02:37:54,240
you you have easel you bring up your

3903
02:37:58,710 --> 02:37:56,399
video stills you're putting your phone

3904
02:38:00,790 --> 02:37:58,720
core poster you know your your

3905
02:38:04,230 --> 02:38:00,800
photographs and you line up six or eight

3906
02:38:06,389 --> 02:38:04,240
of them uh the the freeze frame you have

3907
02:38:09,030 --> 02:38:06,399
your slow motion shots you have your

3908
02:38:11,110 --> 02:38:09,040
analysis you have your enlargements

3909
02:38:13,830 --> 02:38:11,120
right you come prepared

3910
02:38:15,349 --> 02:38:13,840
they didn't do any of that ron no and

3911
02:38:17,270 --> 02:38:15,359
they didn't even have the tech ready to

3912
02:38:20,070 --> 02:38:17,280
go the only thing that i can think that

3913
02:38:21,670 --> 02:38:20,080
was worse delivered than what we saw

3914
02:38:24,070 --> 02:38:21,680
during that brief roll out was how we

3915
02:38:25,830 --> 02:38:24,080
started the show tonight which kind of

3916
02:38:27,429 --> 02:38:25,840
proves that us video professionals don't

3917
02:38:29,349 --> 02:38:27,439
always have it together but yeah that

3918
02:38:30,389 --> 02:38:29,359
was that was kind of weird and you know

3919
02:38:32,950 --> 02:38:30,399
at the end of the day it was an

3920
02:38:35,830 --> 02:38:32,960
anti-climactic video that was probably

3921
02:38:37,190 --> 02:38:35,840
the worst they had to offer and

3922
02:38:38,469 --> 02:38:37,200
you know it just kind of goes in line

3923
02:38:40,150 --> 02:38:38,479
with are they really trying to tell us

3924
02:38:41,750 --> 02:38:40,160
something and share stuff or are they

3925
02:38:44,309 --> 02:38:41,760
just trying to

3926
02:38:47,030 --> 02:38:44,319
give us the minimum they possibly can

3927
02:38:48,870 --> 02:38:47,040
um did you i i'm gonna tell you what i

3928
02:38:51,590 --> 02:38:48,880
did um

3929
02:38:52,469 --> 02:38:51,600
and i can show you right here so i've

3930
02:38:54,469 --> 02:38:52,479
got

3931
02:38:56,950 --> 02:38:54,479
the uh

3932
02:38:59,590 --> 02:38:56,960
the big screen you know going down

3933
02:39:00,790 --> 02:38:59,600
and i am

3934
02:39:01,910 --> 02:39:00,800
grabbing

3935
02:39:03,590 --> 02:39:01,920
shots

3936
02:39:07,110 --> 02:39:03,600
in real time

3937
02:39:11,270 --> 02:39:07,120
of uh what was going on in the screen

3938
02:39:13,030 --> 02:39:11,280
and and as i am shooting this uh

3939
02:39:15,510 --> 02:39:13,040
let me back up here

3940
02:39:17,270 --> 02:39:15,520
as as i am shooting this and i'm

3941
02:39:20,710 --> 02:39:17,280
wondering

3942
02:39:23,670 --> 02:39:20,720
i'm shooting their video right so i

3943
02:39:25,270 --> 02:39:23,680
could freeze frame it later i then took

3944
02:39:27,830 --> 02:39:25,280
still shots

3945
02:39:31,990 --> 02:39:27,840
of uh

3946
02:39:34,150 --> 02:39:32,000
looking at that's adam's what am i

3947
02:39:37,110 --> 02:39:34,160
looking at my looking at that well you

3948
02:39:39,110 --> 02:39:37,120
know and and that's what i did i tried

3949
02:39:42,469 --> 02:39:39,120
to prepare myself and go back and look

3950
02:39:44,150 --> 02:39:42,479
at this now this object

3951
02:39:51,110 --> 02:39:44,160
didn't look

3952
02:39:53,110 --> 02:39:51,120
it looked strange to me when i got that

3953
02:39:55,270 --> 02:39:53,120
one freeze frame the best that i could

3954
02:39:56,309 --> 02:39:55,280
do with my cell phone off of

3955
02:39:59,990 --> 02:39:56,319
uh

3956
02:40:02,309 --> 02:40:00,000
the the screen from the hearing

3957
02:40:05,750 --> 02:40:02,319
um that that object looked

3958
02:40:08,790 --> 02:40:05,760
funny to me it didn't look uh

3959
02:40:13,670 --> 02:40:10,790
did you look at it

3960
02:40:16,070 --> 02:40:13,680
well you know the the frame itself is

3961
02:40:18,309 --> 02:40:16,080
shot low resolution high speed could be

3962
02:40:19,750 --> 02:40:18,319
anything it could be a mylar balloon it

3963
02:40:21,429 --> 02:40:19,760
could be a foo fighter i mean you know

3964
02:40:22,870 --> 02:40:21,439
what's really funny is that

3965
02:40:24,309 --> 02:40:22,880
all the way back to world war ii we've

3966
02:40:27,110 --> 02:40:24,319
had these things doing these things

3967
02:40:28,389 --> 02:40:27,120
outside of our planes and so

3968
02:40:29,910 --> 02:40:28,399
you know that thing didn't really move

3969
02:40:32,150 --> 02:40:29,920
the ball forward for any of us and it

3970
02:40:34,870 --> 02:40:32,160
could really it could be anything here's

3971
02:40:35,910 --> 02:40:34,880
um let me see here if i can i've i've

3972
02:40:37,429 --> 02:40:35,920
got my

3973
02:40:40,309 --> 02:40:37,439
man can

3974
02:40:44,469 --> 02:40:42,309
can you see that

3975
02:40:45,910 --> 02:40:44,479
no why isn't this showing up on the

3976
02:40:46,790 --> 02:40:45,920
camera

3977
02:40:49,110 --> 02:40:46,800
okay

3978
02:40:51,269 --> 02:40:49,120
i've got uh uh

3979
02:40:52,630 --> 02:40:51,279
an enlargement here

3980
02:40:55,349 --> 02:40:52,640
and it

3981
02:40:58,309 --> 02:40:55,359
it looks funky to me

3982
02:41:00,790 --> 02:40:58,319
it look it looks funky and i think that

3983
02:41:02,309 --> 02:41:00,800
the uh the representatives there if they

3984
02:41:03,830 --> 02:41:02,319
would have been effective and i'm

3985
02:41:06,710 --> 02:41:03,840
talking about bray

3986
02:41:08,230 --> 02:41:06,720
uh with being prepared that maybe these

3987
02:41:10,870 --> 02:41:08,240
representatives would have seen

3988
02:41:12,230 --> 02:41:10,880
something pretty interesting

3989
02:41:13,990 --> 02:41:12,240
yeah it would have been nice if they

3990
02:41:16,070 --> 02:41:14,000
would have blown them up and presented

3991
02:41:18,230 --> 02:41:16,080
them like you said but yeah it was uh it

3992
02:41:19,830 --> 02:41:18,240
was it was half hazard but i think that

3993
02:41:22,309 --> 02:41:19,840
plays into

3994
02:41:23,990 --> 02:41:22,319
the the the kind of agenda for how this

3995
02:41:25,750 --> 02:41:24,000
is going to roll out nobody's go they

3996
02:41:27,510 --> 02:41:25,760
don't seem to want to go the extra mile

3997
02:41:30,230 --> 02:41:27,520
they want to seem to answer the

3998
02:41:32,230 --> 02:41:30,240
questions as ambiguously and um

3999
02:41:34,150 --> 02:41:32,240
wordsmithingly if that's a word is

4000
02:41:36,550 --> 02:41:34,160
possible and and you know they're

4001
02:41:39,110 --> 02:41:36,560
basically they're they're not nobody is

4002
02:41:40,710 --> 02:41:39,120
aggressively wanting to deliver the

4003
02:41:41,990 --> 02:41:40,720
truth they're all being held back

4004
02:41:44,550 --> 02:41:42,000
probably because they've been pulled

4005
02:41:45,750 --> 02:41:44,560
into a room and told why uh or or that's

4006
02:41:48,070 --> 02:41:45,760
the that's the line that they're gonna

4007
02:41:50,389 --> 02:41:48,080
have to tow but so when i say dog and

4008
02:41:52,309 --> 02:41:50,399
pony show it's like i'm not trying to

4009
02:41:54,230 --> 02:41:52,319
denigrate it in any way but it's you

4010
02:41:56,389 --> 02:41:54,240
know there's nobody there wasn't anybody

4011
02:41:59,030 --> 02:41:56,399
in that room that wants the truth as

4012
02:42:02,550 --> 02:41:59,040
much as you and me now what do you think

4013
02:42:05,510 --> 02:42:02,560
went down and i know that uh

4014
02:42:06,950 --> 02:42:05,520
you have to speak in hypotheticals here

4015
02:42:08,150 --> 02:42:06,960
but what do you think went down in the

4016
02:42:12,870 --> 02:42:08,160
briefing

4017
02:42:14,710 --> 02:42:12,880
drones i would suspect what do you think

4018
02:42:16,630 --> 02:42:14,720
went down in the classified section of

4019
02:42:19,110 --> 02:42:16,640
this hearing boy wouldn't it be fun to

4020
02:42:21,750 --> 02:42:19,120
be a fly on the wall for that um i i

4021
02:42:24,469 --> 02:42:21,760
would imagine that the the admission of

4022
02:42:25,990 --> 02:42:24,479
off-world craft because i we have we

4023
02:42:28,070 --> 02:42:26,000
have a lot of evidence that congress has

4024
02:42:30,309 --> 02:42:28,080
already been told of the existence of

4025
02:42:31,910 --> 02:42:30,319
off-world craft so if

4026
02:42:34,550 --> 02:42:31,920
i bet in the classified briefing it was

4027
02:42:36,070 --> 02:42:34,560
probably more of look guys here's the

4028
02:42:38,550 --> 02:42:36,080
game plan this is what we're willing to

4029
02:42:40,950 --> 02:42:38,560
tell you we've established the uap task

4030
02:42:43,349 --> 02:42:40,960
force but the biggest thing that the uap

4031
02:42:44,630 --> 02:42:43,359
task force has to do is figure out how

4032
02:42:46,790 --> 02:42:44,640
we're going to reveal stuff to the

4033
02:42:48,790 --> 02:42:46,800
public that's our task and so here's

4034
02:42:50,150 --> 02:42:48,800
what we've come up with here here's our

4035
02:42:52,710 --> 02:42:50,160
talking points

4036
02:42:54,309 --> 02:42:52,720
here's our stuff you know you know it we

4037
02:42:55,830 --> 02:42:54,319
know you know it we know that you know

4038
02:42:57,510 --> 02:42:55,840
that we know you know it so you know

4039
02:42:59,349 --> 02:42:57,520
that's not even a factor anymore of

4040
02:43:01,030 --> 02:42:59,359
course there's some kind of uh

4041
02:43:02,710 --> 02:43:01,040
unknown intelligence operating these

4042
02:43:05,429 --> 02:43:02,720
things that's not the question the

4043
02:43:07,030 --> 02:43:05,439
question is how are we going to

4044
02:43:08,790 --> 02:43:07,040
get it to the public

4045
02:43:11,349 --> 02:43:08,800
in such a way that nobody has to take

4046
02:43:13,750 --> 02:43:11,359
accountability for anything moving up to

4047
02:43:15,510 --> 02:43:13,760
this point and and this is what we

4048
02:43:18,230 --> 02:43:15,520
suggest and so i think it was a nice

4049
02:43:20,550 --> 02:43:18,240
little coalescence of the uap task force

4050
02:43:22,469 --> 02:43:20,560
and the congress and a strategy session

4051
02:43:23,750 --> 02:43:22,479
because i think that behind a lot of

4052
02:43:25,590 --> 02:43:23,760
closed doors

4053
02:43:27,110 --> 02:43:25,600
obviously not all of them because some

4054
02:43:29,910 --> 02:43:27,120
of these guys are either really good

4055
02:43:31,429 --> 02:43:29,920
actors or they truly don't know

4056
02:43:33,750 --> 02:43:31,439
but you know i can't imagine what was

4057
02:43:35,349 --> 02:43:33,760
his name um crawford or

4058
02:43:37,110 --> 02:43:35,359
uh

4059
02:43:38,870 --> 02:43:37,120
yeah rick crawford and and the other

4060
02:43:40,309 --> 02:43:38,880
guys that came out asking these

4061
02:43:42,630 --> 02:43:40,319
questions

4062
02:43:45,190 --> 02:43:42,640
if they really know that there's this ct

4063
02:43:47,190 --> 02:43:45,200
or non-human intelligent presence

4064
02:43:49,190 --> 02:43:47,200
then they really played it well

4065
02:43:50,870 --> 02:43:49,200
so some people know some people don't

4066
02:43:52,550 --> 02:43:50,880
some people don't want to know but i

4067
02:43:55,510 --> 02:43:52,560
think it was just as much a strategy

4068
02:43:57,349 --> 02:43:55,520
session as a revelation session now

4069
02:43:59,830 --> 02:43:57,359
let's uh let's take things to the next

4070
02:44:02,070 --> 02:43:59,840
level and and talk about avilobe and the

4071
02:44:04,309 --> 02:44:02,080
galileo project

4072
02:44:06,790 --> 02:44:04,319
which certainly plays into everything

4073
02:44:10,550 --> 02:44:06,800
that is going on um

4074
02:44:12,469 --> 02:44:10,560
if we go back historically to 2017

4075
02:44:14,790 --> 02:44:12,479
people want to talk about the new york

4076
02:44:18,309 --> 02:44:14,800
times article in december well in

4077
02:44:21,269 --> 02:44:18,319
october uh tom de long as you know uh

4078
02:44:22,150 --> 02:44:21,279
did his live press conference announcing

4079
02:44:28,469 --> 02:44:22,160
uh

4080
02:44:32,070 --> 02:44:28,479
there was another important event in

4081
02:44:33,190 --> 02:44:32,080
october too which was oh more more right

4082
02:44:35,590 --> 02:44:33,200
so

4083
02:44:37,269 --> 02:44:35,600
all of this stuff is happening at the

4084
02:44:39,830 --> 02:44:37,279
same time

4085
02:44:42,230 --> 02:44:39,840
and now as we've moved along through

4086
02:44:44,510 --> 02:44:42,240
this avialobe has been very public about

4087
02:44:46,309 --> 02:44:44,520
omomoa he's released his book

4088
02:44:49,190 --> 02:44:46,319
extraterrestrial and now he's put

4089
02:44:51,269 --> 02:44:49,200
together the galileo project with uh

4090
02:44:53,190 --> 02:44:51,279
astronomers and astrophysicists around

4091
02:44:55,910 --> 02:44:53,200
the world looking for

4092
02:44:59,190 --> 02:44:55,920
the scientific data backing up what is

4093
02:45:01,670 --> 02:44:59,200
being seen in our atmosphere

4094
02:45:02,870 --> 02:45:01,680
yeah and what a lot of people don't know

4095
02:45:04,790 --> 02:45:02,880
is that

4096
02:45:07,349 --> 02:45:04,800
these meetings were taking place a long

4097
02:45:09,510 --> 02:45:07,359
time before galileo was announced the

4098
02:45:11,670 --> 02:45:09,520
the the elizondos and the melons and the

4099
02:45:14,070 --> 02:45:11,680
javi loebs were all having conversations

4100
02:45:17,269 --> 02:45:14,080
and funding was coming into this thing

4101
02:45:18,469 --> 02:45:17,279
at the same time ttsa was in play so

4102
02:45:20,070 --> 02:45:18,479
there's a lot of people that say this is

4103
02:45:22,389 --> 02:45:20,080
like this is all a very organized

4104
02:45:24,870 --> 02:45:22,399
rollout being governed at the deepest

4105
02:45:26,710 --> 02:45:24,880
levels by those we'll never know and and

4106
02:45:27,750 --> 02:45:26,720
all the players are playing their part

4107
02:45:29,349 --> 02:45:27,760
and then there's people who say oh

4108
02:45:31,269 --> 02:45:29,359
that's preposterous this all happened

4109
02:45:33,190 --> 02:45:31,279
very organically it couldn't have

4110
02:45:35,349 --> 02:45:33,200
happened organically you couldn't have

4111
02:45:37,429 --> 02:45:35,359
had louis elizondo attending his

4112
02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:37,439
resignation and then all of a sudden the

4113
02:45:42,469 --> 02:45:39,840
ttsa just materializes in a couple of

4114
02:45:44,469 --> 02:45:42,479
months luella zondo i believe tended his

4115
02:45:46,790 --> 02:45:44,479
resignation because he knew that the

4116
02:45:49,670 --> 02:45:46,800
ttsa was about to pop out they were

4117
02:45:51,190 --> 02:45:49,680
going to be the commercial version of

4118
02:45:52,630 --> 02:45:51,200
controlling and distributing the new

4119
02:45:54,870 --> 02:45:52,640
narrative and he was a part of it and

4120
02:45:57,830 --> 02:45:54,880
this was all orchestrated how deep it

4121
02:45:59,190 --> 02:45:57,840
goes we don't we we don't know uh and we

4122
02:46:01,429 --> 02:45:59,200
can't prove it and a lot of people say

4123
02:46:03,670 --> 02:46:01,439
it doesn't go that deep but clearly all

4124
02:46:05,670 --> 02:46:03,680
of these people were talking the galileo

4125
02:46:07,510 --> 02:46:05,680
project was was in play funding for the

4126
02:46:09,429 --> 02:46:07,520
galileo project we looked into who

4127
02:46:10,550 --> 02:46:09,439
funded it so it's a very interesting

4128
02:46:12,870 --> 02:46:10,560
situation

4129
02:46:15,190 --> 02:46:12,880
um but this was all being being planned

4130
02:46:17,190 --> 02:46:15,200
and this rollout was way more organized

4131
02:46:19,269 --> 02:46:17,200
than people think but it might not be as

4132
02:46:21,190 --> 02:46:19,279
organized as some people think if that

4133
02:46:23,429 --> 02:46:21,200
makes sense but it's all intertwined

4134
02:46:26,230 --> 02:46:23,439
interconnected and there's all a lot of

4135
02:46:29,190 --> 02:46:26,240
backroom meetings that were happening

4136
02:46:32,710 --> 02:46:29,200
to create the appearance of spontaneity

4137
02:46:34,710 --> 02:46:32,720
do you think uh uh avi loeb will be uh

4138
02:46:36,309 --> 02:46:34,720
testifying

4139
02:46:37,990 --> 02:46:36,319
i'm not sure he has anything to testify

4140
02:46:41,429 --> 02:46:38,000
about you know he's got a theory that

4141
02:46:43,269 --> 02:46:41,439
the that the asteroid was a ufo but he

4142
02:46:46,870 --> 02:46:43,279
doesn't have any you know proof of that

4143
02:46:49,510 --> 02:46:46,880
he's got conjecture um his testimony is

4144
02:46:52,389 --> 02:46:49,520
it would be speculation at best well it

4145
02:46:55,510 --> 02:46:52,399
wouldn't necessarily just be about omua

4146
02:46:59,590 --> 02:46:55,520
yeah about his approach of detecting

4147
02:47:02,389 --> 02:46:59,600
uaps in our atmosphere and the ongoing

4148
02:47:05,110 --> 02:47:02,399
uh search for that and what data he has

4149
02:47:06,950 --> 02:47:05,120
uh collected up to this point

4150
02:47:08,950 --> 02:47:06,960
well i'm sure that within galileo

4151
02:47:09,990 --> 02:47:08,960
there's a lot of things that that well

4152
02:47:11,349 --> 02:47:10,000
obviously we know there's a lot of

4153
02:47:12,710 --> 02:47:11,359
things they already know there's

4154
02:47:14,469 --> 02:47:12,720
probably a lot of more things they're

4155
02:47:17,670 --> 02:47:14,479
finding out so at some point when

4156
02:47:19,590 --> 02:47:17,680
they've got something to share possibly

4157
02:47:21,429 --> 02:47:19,600
the list of potential witnesses that can

4158
02:47:23,349 --> 02:47:21,439
contribute it would be fun to make a

4159
02:47:25,910 --> 02:47:23,359
list of of all of them like you would

4160
02:47:27,670 --> 02:47:25,920
you had made a bunch i had some i'm sure

4161
02:47:29,030 --> 02:47:27,680
the audience has a bunch and really

4162
02:47:30,710 --> 02:47:29,040
start

4163
02:47:33,269 --> 02:47:30,720
drilling down into well if you could

4164
02:47:35,510 --> 02:47:33,279
only do 10 or 20 who would they be

4165
02:47:36,710 --> 02:47:35,520
because that ultimately is probably you

4166
02:47:38,150 --> 02:47:36,720
know we're not going to have hundreds of

4167
02:47:40,389 --> 02:47:38,160
people parading in front of congress

4168
02:47:41,750 --> 02:47:40,399
over years and years the the hearing

4169
02:47:44,150 --> 02:47:41,760
thing is going to be a thing that

4170
02:47:46,309 --> 02:47:44,160
happens and then it's over and maybe the

4171
02:47:48,630 --> 02:47:46,319
whole thing dies down we don't know

4172
02:47:49,990 --> 02:47:48,640
but um okay

4173
02:47:52,710 --> 02:47:50,000
we're not going to hear from everybody

4174
02:47:54,150 --> 02:47:52,720
on the on the steps of congress

4175
02:47:55,670 --> 02:47:54,160
there's going to be so many hearings

4176
02:47:57,190 --> 02:47:55,680
there's going to be subcommittees

4177
02:47:59,590 --> 02:47:57,200
there's going to be different branches

4178
02:48:02,230 --> 02:47:59,600
of this there will be the physics side

4179
02:48:05,429 --> 02:48:02,240
the science side the astronomy side the

4180
02:48:07,830 --> 02:48:05,439
military side we hope that's true yeah i

4181
02:48:09,990 --> 02:48:07,840
i i think that that's i think that's the

4182
02:48:11,670 --> 02:48:10,000
only way you can't do all of this in one

4183
02:48:13,269 --> 02:48:11,680
hearing you've got to

4184
02:48:15,190 --> 02:48:13,279
you got to break it out but i'm not sure

4185
02:48:17,510 --> 02:48:15,200
you could do all of it in 100 hearings

4186
02:48:19,269 --> 02:48:17,520
that's kind of my point yeah i asked you

4187
02:48:22,230 --> 02:48:19,279
i brought up that point yesterday with

4188
02:48:24,550 --> 02:48:22,240
sean cahill i mean you just can't you

4189
02:48:28,150 --> 02:48:24,560
can't there's way too much here

4190
02:48:31,190 --> 02:48:28,160
uh which brings me to this

4191
02:48:33,349 --> 02:48:31,200
if this continues

4192
02:48:35,910 --> 02:48:33,359
to open up like it is

4193
02:48:39,349 --> 02:48:35,920
then we have this whole other

4194
02:48:41,910 --> 02:48:39,359
section of the phenomenon which is

4195
02:48:43,429 --> 02:48:41,920
abductions cattle mutilations human

4196
02:48:44,950 --> 02:48:43,439
mutilations

4197
02:48:48,309 --> 02:48:44,960
hybridization

4198
02:48:49,590 --> 02:48:48,319
uh direct contact

4199
02:48:51,990 --> 02:48:49,600
and

4200
02:48:54,230 --> 02:48:52,000
what is going to happen with all of

4201
02:48:57,030 --> 02:48:54,240
those individuals you can't have one

4202
02:48:59,110 --> 02:48:57,040
domino fall and not have them all fall

4203
02:49:02,230 --> 02:48:59,120
can you

4204
02:49:04,790 --> 02:49:02,240
eventually absolutely you know it's it's

4205
02:49:07,190 --> 02:49:04,800
possibly no coincidence that the next

4206
02:49:08,790 --> 02:49:07,200
project the ralph blumenthal jumped on

4207
02:49:10,710 --> 02:49:08,800
was uh was writing a book about

4208
02:49:12,710 --> 02:49:10,720
experiencers you know so

4209
02:49:14,469 --> 02:49:12,720
if you look at at that that's that's

4210
02:49:15,830 --> 02:49:14,479
pretty interesting because he's got a

4211
02:49:17,429 --> 02:49:15,840
book about john mack and now there's

4212
02:49:19,190 --> 02:49:17,439
gonna you know there's a screen option

4213
02:49:21,670 --> 02:49:19,200
in play about john mack this is a big

4214
02:49:23,670 --> 02:49:21,680
icebreaker for the experiencers and you

4215
02:49:25,590 --> 02:49:23,680
know i i'll tell you something else it's

4216
02:49:27,110 --> 02:49:25,600
really interesting i just interviewed

4217
02:49:28,469 --> 02:49:27,120
gary nolan

4218
02:49:29,910 --> 02:49:28,479
you can see in the back of the clip i

4219
02:49:31,990 --> 02:49:29,920
kind of cornered him about studying the

4220
02:49:33,510 --> 02:49:32,000
materials but something else that he has

4221
02:49:36,070 --> 02:49:33,520
discovered about the experience or

4222
02:49:38,630 --> 02:49:36,080
phenomenon and about the brains of the

4223
02:49:40,870 --> 02:49:38,640
people that that are having these things

4224
02:49:43,910 --> 02:49:40,880
happen is absolutely off the charts

4225
02:49:46,550 --> 02:49:43,920
incredible and we now have scientific

4226
02:49:49,429 --> 02:49:46,560
validation that there could actually be

4227
02:49:51,190 --> 02:49:49,439
something to the to these phenomena and

4228
02:49:52,950 --> 02:49:51,200
there's been a lot of speculation that

4229
02:49:54,790 --> 02:49:52,960
that a lot of these things are

4230
02:49:55,830 --> 02:49:54,800
interconnected like

4231
02:49:58,469 --> 02:49:55,840
angelic

4232
02:49:59,670 --> 02:49:58,479
experiences extraterrestrial experiences

4233
02:50:02,150 --> 02:49:59,680
uh

4234
02:50:03,269 --> 02:50:02,160
transformative spiritual experiences all

4235
02:50:04,790 --> 02:50:03,279
the

4236
02:50:06,150 --> 02:50:04,800
encounters with spirits encounters with

4237
02:50:08,309 --> 02:50:06,160
aliens

4238
02:50:09,590 --> 02:50:08,319
people like ray hernandez and people and

4239
02:50:11,269 --> 02:50:09,600
people inside of mufon have been

4240
02:50:12,950 --> 02:50:11,279
generating scientific reports to say

4241
02:50:14,070 --> 02:50:12,960
wait a minute all this stuff is

4242
02:50:16,630 --> 02:50:14,080
connected

4243
02:50:18,309 --> 02:50:16,640
and in my interviews with alexander one

4244
02:50:19,830 --> 02:50:18,319
john alexander one of the biggest things

4245
02:50:22,790 --> 02:50:19,840
that he wants to point out to everybody

4246
02:50:25,030 --> 02:50:22,800
is that the et phenomenon is not even if

4247
02:50:27,110 --> 02:50:25,040
we say okay we've got aliens coming from

4248
02:50:29,190 --> 02:50:27,120
zeta reticuli they have ships they've

4249
02:50:31,190 --> 02:50:29,200
visited us for years it doesn't even

4250
02:50:33,429 --> 02:50:31,200
scratch the surface of answering these

4251
02:50:35,910 --> 02:50:33,439
questions and so the what we're dealing

4252
02:50:38,710 --> 02:50:35,920
with now as all of these factors that

4253
02:50:41,590 --> 02:50:38,720
you just mentioned come into play we are

4254
02:50:43,830 --> 02:50:41,600
dealing with the fact that

4255
02:50:45,349 --> 02:50:43,840
the very nature of our reality is being

4256
02:50:48,389 --> 02:50:45,359
revealed to us in ways we can't

4257
02:50:50,070 --> 02:50:48,399
understand and the et question is only a

4258
02:50:52,950 --> 02:50:50,080
small part of it and it's all

4259
02:50:55,429 --> 02:50:52,960
interconnected and that's the next step

4260
02:50:57,349 --> 02:50:55,439
so we get a revelation tomorrow that yes

4261
02:51:00,230 --> 02:50:57,359
there's a there's many different

4262
02:51:02,309 --> 02:51:00,240
space-faring races joining us

4263
02:51:04,389 --> 02:51:02,319
that come here guess what it's only the

4264
02:51:05,830 --> 02:51:04,399
tip of the iceberg and there's already

4265
02:51:07,510 --> 02:51:05,840
enough evidence out there to show that

4266
02:51:10,950 --> 02:51:07,520
that's probably true

4267
02:51:13,429 --> 02:51:10,960
one of the one of the things that i it

4268
02:51:17,590 --> 02:51:13,439
just stays in the back of my mind

4269
02:51:19,910 --> 02:51:17,600
that if if we continue with this

4270
02:51:22,630 --> 02:51:19,920
roswell has got to be discussed

4271
02:51:25,750 --> 02:51:22,640
i mean it it just has to be

4272
02:51:26,469 --> 02:51:25,760
and which pulls in the air force and and

4273
02:51:30,309 --> 02:51:26,479
and

4274
02:51:32,870 --> 02:51:30,319
force back then

4275
02:51:35,510 --> 02:51:32,880
um and and what they knew

4276
02:51:36,550 --> 02:51:35,520
but but roswell is just sitting out

4277
02:51:40,790 --> 02:51:36,560
there

4278
02:51:43,670 --> 02:51:40,800
and it hasn't been it's been mentioned

4279
02:51:45,030 --> 02:51:43,680
but do we open that up and do we finally

4280
02:51:47,510 --> 02:51:45,040
try to

4281
02:51:49,750 --> 02:51:47,520
uh close that part of our history out do

4282
02:51:52,150 --> 02:51:49,760
you do do you want to see something like

4283
02:51:53,910 --> 02:51:52,160
that i do oh of course we all do but you

4284
02:51:56,550 --> 02:51:53,920
know there's a big problem with roswell

4285
02:51:59,990 --> 02:51:56,560
because it and a couple of incidents

4286
02:52:02,710 --> 02:52:00,000
around that time are the beginning of

4287
02:52:04,389 --> 02:52:02,720
the deception did you know that there's

4288
02:52:06,710 --> 02:52:04,399
a i have a freedom of information act

4289
02:52:09,030 --> 02:52:06,720
request that reveals that shortly after

4290
02:52:10,870 --> 02:52:09,040
roswell happened to whatever it is that

4291
02:52:12,550 --> 02:52:10,880
happened there the army because we

4292
02:52:16,150 --> 02:52:12,560
didn't have an air force at the time the

4293
02:52:17,110 --> 02:52:16,160
army formed an interplanetary research

4294
02:52:18,870 --> 02:52:17,120
group

4295
02:52:21,349 --> 02:52:18,880
that was a that was actually part of the

4296
02:52:22,550 --> 02:52:21,359
army and and when you dig into it you

4297
02:52:24,070 --> 02:52:22,560
try to find out what's going on with

4298
02:52:26,469 --> 02:52:24,080
that you find out that it got rolled

4299
02:52:28,550 --> 02:52:26,479
into project blue book

4300
02:52:30,469 --> 02:52:28,560
supposedly it was never a formally

4301
02:52:32,630 --> 02:52:30,479
constituted group which they're they

4302
02:52:35,750 --> 02:52:32,640
tend to do a lot uh they call them ad

4303
02:52:37,349 --> 02:52:35,760
hoc groups but why after roswell if

4304
02:52:40,630 --> 02:52:37,359
they're if if the stories and the

4305
02:52:43,190 --> 02:52:40,640
legends are false why would the army of

4306
02:52:45,510 --> 02:52:43,200
of that day form an interplanetary

4307
02:52:47,349 --> 02:52:45,520
research group that was actually a thing

4308
02:52:49,110 --> 02:52:47,359
i mean you know they just finished the

4309
02:52:51,750 --> 02:52:49,120
war they've got nuclear stuff to deal

4310
02:52:53,429 --> 02:52:51,760
with why do that and so there there's

4311
02:52:55,110 --> 02:52:53,439
all these little bread crumbs that are

4312
02:52:57,750 --> 02:52:55,120
there to be found that aren't

4313
02:53:01,429 --> 02:52:57,760
speculation and when you add them all up

4314
02:53:02,389 --> 02:53:01,439
you know no jury would vote to acquit

4315
02:53:04,550 --> 02:53:02,399
the uh

4316
02:53:06,550 --> 02:53:04,560
story of roswell

4317
02:53:11,030 --> 02:53:06,560
well the there was

4318
02:53:14,389 --> 02:53:11,040
a in in a 30-day period you had kenneth

4319
02:53:17,349 --> 02:53:14,399
arnold of course right mount rainier

4320
02:53:19,670 --> 02:53:17,359
and you had roswell but you also had

4321
02:53:20,790 --> 02:53:19,680
rhodes and his photographs out of

4322
02:53:23,590 --> 02:53:20,800
phoenix

4323
02:53:27,429 --> 02:53:23,600
and when you look at the rhodes

4324
02:53:30,309 --> 02:53:27,439
photographs now uh which clearly show

4325
02:53:32,389 --> 02:53:30,319
what many today would describe as a as a

4326
02:53:34,790 --> 02:53:32,399
black triangle but i can tell you this

4327
02:53:36,790 --> 02:53:34,800
those photographs those weren't any

4328
02:53:40,950 --> 02:53:36,800
known aircraft types that we had at that

4329
02:53:43,190 --> 02:53:40,960
time right in the rhodes case

4330
02:53:45,030 --> 02:53:43,200
which was different from kenneth arnold

4331
02:53:47,429 --> 02:53:45,040
and different from roswell

4332
02:53:49,349 --> 02:53:47,439
you had men in black

4333
02:53:51,190 --> 02:53:49,359
you had

4334
02:53:53,269 --> 02:53:51,200
people showing up at his house grabbing

4335
02:53:54,790 --> 02:53:53,279
his camera taking his film not returning

4336
02:53:57,750 --> 02:53:54,800
it for two years

4337
02:53:59,830 --> 02:53:57,760
and there were elements of that case

4338
02:54:02,950 --> 02:53:59,840
that we talk about kenneth arnold we

4339
02:54:05,990 --> 02:54:02,960
talk about roswell at the same time july

4340
02:54:09,190 --> 02:54:06,000
1947 we have the rhodes photographs

4341
02:54:11,910 --> 02:54:09,200
taken in phoenix and and why would the

4342
02:54:15,590 --> 02:54:11,920
air force show up at his house and

4343
02:54:17,590 --> 02:54:15,600
confiscate everything if it's if it's if

4344
02:54:19,349 --> 02:54:17,600
it's nothing well remember we didn't

4345
02:54:21,510 --> 02:54:19,359
have an air force then the air force

4346
02:54:23,429 --> 02:54:21,520
came after the roswell incident from

4347
02:54:25,910 --> 02:54:23,439
wright-patterson wright-patterson was an

4348
02:54:27,670 --> 02:54:25,920
army air base and so

4349
02:54:29,590 --> 02:54:27,680
you know that this was probably this

4350
02:54:31,429 --> 02:54:29,600
interplanetary research group that got

4351
02:54:33,670 --> 02:54:31,439
formed and and they were tracking

4352
02:54:35,910 --> 02:54:33,680
everything down right in that time frame

4353
02:54:37,429 --> 02:54:35,920
and these guys got busy you know i've

4354
02:54:39,670 --> 02:54:37,439
talked to michael shratt who's done a

4355
02:54:41,910 --> 02:54:39,680
lot of great research about crashes and

4356
02:54:44,630 --> 02:54:41,920
he's documented you know like over a

4357
02:54:46,870 --> 02:54:44,640
hundred potential and i do say potential

4358
02:54:49,190 --> 02:54:46,880
crashes with thousands of witnesses and

4359
02:54:50,550 --> 02:54:49,200
some of them very well detailed out and

4360
02:54:52,550 --> 02:54:50,560
um you know these things that happen

4361
02:54:54,469 --> 02:54:52,560
around the roswell time frame this

4362
02:54:57,349 --> 02:54:54,479
interplanetary research group the

4363
02:54:59,830 --> 02:54:57,359
formation of mj12 which rather that's

4364
02:55:02,309 --> 02:54:59,840
real or not it only makes sense that

4365
02:55:03,990 --> 02:55:02,319
they would have put together a group to

4366
02:55:06,790 --> 02:55:04,000
to manage this

4367
02:55:09,510 --> 02:55:06,800
at the highest levels um it's it it's

4368
02:55:12,389 --> 02:55:09,520
all pretty much it's logical it makes

4369
02:55:13,670 --> 02:55:12,399
sense and um i just wish they'd come

4370
02:55:15,830 --> 02:55:13,680
come clean with it because this is

4371
02:55:17,429 --> 02:55:15,840
really the beginning of this that i

4372
02:55:19,590 --> 02:55:17,439
think that the lie has been covered up

4373
02:55:21,830 --> 02:55:19,600
from way before then but the beginning

4374
02:55:23,990 --> 02:55:21,840
of the modern uh

4375
02:55:26,309 --> 02:55:24,000
infrastructure of deception started in

4376
02:55:28,710 --> 02:55:26,319
that time frame i think uh you know from

4377
02:55:30,389 --> 02:55:28,720
the standpoint of the church it's been

4378
02:55:31,990 --> 02:55:30,399
going on for a lot longer

4379
02:55:34,070 --> 02:55:32,000
we know that there's stuff at the

4380
02:55:36,150 --> 02:55:34,080
vatican that goes back to

4381
02:55:38,790 --> 02:55:36,160
deep deep into human history that they

4382
02:55:41,269 --> 02:55:38,800
refuse to talk about and danny sheehan

4383
02:55:43,590 --> 02:55:41,279
has has tried he used to be the attorney

4384
02:55:45,590 --> 02:55:43,600
for the jesuits he's gone to the vatican

4385
02:55:47,590 --> 02:55:45,600
and said could you please show us the

4386
02:55:49,510 --> 02:55:47,600
the your historical documents that might

4387
02:55:51,750 --> 02:55:49,520
pertain to this and they don't say we

4388
02:55:53,349 --> 02:55:51,760
have none they say no

4389
02:55:54,870 --> 02:55:53,359
you know the the the

4390
02:55:57,670 --> 02:55:54,880
and this current thing that we're

4391
02:56:01,750 --> 02:55:57,680
dealing with the hearings the new story

4392
02:56:03,750 --> 02:56:01,760
all it is is a a way to sweep that stuff

4393
02:56:05,830 --> 02:56:03,760
aside for another time while still

4394
02:56:08,469 --> 02:56:05,840
getting disclosure forward i think they

4395
02:56:10,630 --> 02:56:08,479
need to get disclosure out of the way

4396
02:56:12,950 --> 02:56:10,640
and the minutia that they think is

4397
02:56:16,790 --> 02:56:12,960
minutiae might get revisited later or

4398
02:56:18,550 --> 02:56:16,800
completely absolved from history but um

4399
02:56:22,469 --> 02:56:18,560
well it's uh we've had a lot of action

4400
02:56:25,110 --> 02:56:22,479
in 2022 2021. uh we're halfway through

4401
02:56:27,030 --> 02:56:25,120
now where at the end of may we're we're

4402
02:56:30,630 --> 02:56:27,040
heading into june

4403
02:56:32,469 --> 02:56:30,640
uh is 2022 the year does does the big d

4404
02:56:34,710 --> 02:56:32,479
go down

4405
02:56:37,110 --> 02:56:34,720
i think that you know a little inside

4406
02:56:38,950 --> 02:56:37,120
information um i think that it has a lot

4407
02:56:41,269 --> 02:56:38,960
to do there's a few more steps that are

4408
02:56:42,070 --> 02:56:41,279
going to happen you know lou's writing a

4409
02:56:43,190 --> 02:56:42,080
book

4410
02:56:44,230 --> 02:56:43,200
that's going to have to go through the

4411
02:56:45,670 --> 02:56:44,240
dod

4412
02:56:47,830 --> 02:56:45,680
it's going to take a while before that

4413
02:56:49,269 --> 02:56:47,840
book hits the shelves

4414
02:56:51,750 --> 02:56:49,279
i don't think there's going to be a

4415
02:56:53,510 --> 02:56:51,760
major clear disclosure until after that

4416
02:56:54,870 --> 02:56:53,520
i think this book is a part of it i

4417
02:56:56,389 --> 02:56:54,880
think he's going to be allowed to reveal

4418
02:56:57,910 --> 02:56:56,399
a lot of stuff he hasn't been able to

4419
02:56:59,429 --> 02:56:57,920
reveal so far

4420
02:57:01,030 --> 02:56:59,439
and i think that book is going to be

4421
02:57:03,429 --> 02:57:01,040
another icebreaker

4422
02:57:05,110 --> 02:57:03,439
my film is kind of a bridge between the

4423
02:57:07,110 --> 02:57:05,120
inability to say the a word and the

4424
02:57:08,790 --> 02:57:07,120
ability to say the a word by these very

4425
02:57:11,750 --> 02:57:08,800
people um

4426
02:57:13,030 --> 02:57:11,760
we've talked about this and so i think i

4427
02:57:14,710 --> 02:57:13,040
think that

4428
02:57:15,990 --> 02:57:14,720
somebody told me a five year time frame

4429
02:57:17,990 --> 02:57:16,000
and that was about four years ago or

4430
02:57:20,790 --> 02:57:18,000
about a year ago and it's somebody who

4431
02:57:22,150 --> 02:57:20,800
should know but you know again you don't

4432
02:57:23,990 --> 02:57:22,160
know what you don't know but i think

4433
02:57:26,230 --> 02:57:24,000
within the next five years

4434
02:57:27,590 --> 02:57:26,240
a pretty decent disclosure that that

4435
02:57:29,349 --> 02:57:27,600
acknowledges everything that can be

4436
02:57:30,790 --> 02:57:29,359
acknowledged i'm not sure i think we're

4437
02:57:32,870 --> 02:57:30,800
going to keep getting drips up until

4438
02:57:34,870 --> 02:57:32,880
then so maybe about four years to go if

4439
02:57:38,710 --> 02:57:34,880
my information is correct

4440
02:57:39,670 --> 02:57:38,720
well i i think it's 20 22. i think

4441
02:57:41,990 --> 02:57:39,680
something

4442
02:57:43,990 --> 02:57:42,000
think it's going to come from the

4443
02:57:45,030 --> 02:57:44,000
government i think something else is in

4444
02:57:46,630 --> 02:57:45,040
play

4445
02:57:48,150 --> 02:57:46,640
i do i do

4446
02:57:50,070 --> 02:57:48,160
that would be that would be fantastic

4447
02:57:51,750 --> 02:57:50,080
and i hope it happens

4448
02:57:55,990 --> 02:57:51,760
i hope it happens you know like just

4449
02:58:01,510 --> 02:57:56,790
right

4450
02:58:03,190 --> 02:58:01,520
because i think that

4451
02:58:05,510 --> 02:58:03,200
there are

4452
02:58:07,670 --> 02:58:05,520
many people that uh understand that

4453
02:58:09,910 --> 02:58:07,680
something's about to go down that they

4454
02:58:12,389 --> 02:58:09,920
can't control and the other well there's

4455
02:58:14,309 --> 02:58:12,399
that yeah yeah the only way to get out

4456
02:58:17,030 --> 02:58:14,319
in front of this is things like the

4457
02:58:19,510 --> 02:58:17,040
hearings and and get the public

4458
02:58:22,309 --> 02:58:19,520
absolutely talking about this we always

4459
02:58:25,190 --> 02:58:22,319
say drip drip drip well you know what

4460
02:58:27,269 --> 02:58:25,200
when it goes down you can't have

4461
02:58:29,590 --> 02:58:27,279
a shock factor there

4462
02:58:32,950 --> 02:58:29,600
um i i think it's it's got to be a

4463
02:58:35,910 --> 02:58:32,960
softball pitch as soft as the underarm

4464
02:58:37,590 --> 02:58:35,920
pitch can be oh it's baby steps and you

4465
02:58:40,309 --> 02:58:37,600
know all of us in the field that are

4466
02:58:41,910 --> 02:58:40,319
indignant as to this fact

4467
02:58:43,670 --> 02:58:41,920
we we just need to understand there's

4468
02:58:45,349 --> 02:58:43,680
seven billion people on the planet

4469
02:58:47,349 --> 02:58:45,359
hardly any of them know anything about

4470
02:58:49,269 --> 02:58:47,359
ufos besides what they've watched on the

4471
02:58:51,349 --> 02:58:49,279
occasional episode of ancient aliens

4472
02:58:52,630 --> 02:58:51,359
they need to be brought along and even

4473
02:58:55,910 --> 02:58:52,640
though we're sitting there with our arms

4474
02:58:58,150 --> 02:58:55,920
folded going okay come on get with it um

4475
02:59:00,070 --> 02:58:58,160
there's a broader agenda at play in a

4476
02:59:02,550 --> 02:59:00,080
broader audience that is not as

4477
02:59:04,950 --> 02:59:02,560
sophisticated on the topic as a lot of

4478
02:59:05,750 --> 02:59:04,960
us are and we we need to just kind of be

4479
02:59:09,349 --> 02:59:05,760
there

4480
02:59:10,630 --> 02:59:09,359
a lot of thought into it we might not

4481
02:59:12,230 --> 02:59:10,640
like the way we're getting it but

4482
02:59:14,710 --> 02:59:12,240
there's there's a there's a bigger

4483
02:59:16,230 --> 02:59:14,720
reason so thank you

4484
02:59:18,950 --> 02:59:16,240
ron thank you for the conversation

4485
02:59:20,389 --> 02:59:18,960
tonight and the one thing the big reveal

4486
02:59:22,309 --> 02:59:20,399
from the show

4487
02:59:26,550 --> 02:59:22,319
i'm going to be playing the guitar solo

4488
02:59:28,870 --> 02:59:26,560
on raw ron single about aliens

4489
02:59:30,870 --> 02:59:28,880
that'll be fun i'll talk to you hey ron

4490
02:59:32,790 --> 02:59:30,880
thank you so much my friend uh you're

4491
02:59:34,389 --> 02:59:32,800
out there fighting the good fight it's

4492
02:59:36,309 --> 02:59:34,399
going to be a great year you're a big

4493
02:59:38,790 --> 02:59:36,319
part of it thank you so much my friend

4494
02:59:42,389 --> 02:59:38,800
all right jimmy thanks a lot

4495
02:59:44,230 --> 02:59:42,399
ron james what a great show tonight and

4496
02:59:47,590 --> 02:59:44,240
uh it's perfect and it's the best way

4497
02:59:50,630 --> 02:59:47,600
for us to close out night three of our

4498
02:59:52,790 --> 02:59:50,640
ufo week here on fade to black it was

4499
02:59:56,150 --> 02:59:52,800
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4500
02:59:58,469 --> 02:59:56,160
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4501
03:00:01,110 --> 02:59:58,479
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4502
03:00:04,070 --> 03:00:01,120
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4503
03:00:06,230 --> 03:00:04,080
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4504
03:00:10,550 --> 03:00:06,240
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4505
03:00:11,750 --> 03:00:10,560
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4506
03:00:13,990 --> 03:00:11,760
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4507
03:00:16,309 --> 03:00:14,000
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03:00:17,269 --> 03:00:16,319
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4524
03:00:59,349 --> 03:00:56,960
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4525
03:01:02,070 --> 03:00:59,359
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4526
03:01:04,469 --> 03:01:02,080
all night long until then i want

4527
03:01:07,990 --> 03:01:04,479
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